If Luther were alive today, he would be either Missouri Synod or Roman Catholic. I honestly don’t know which. He sure as heck would not be Evangelical.
His terms for that was “fanatic” and his criticism of extreme Protestantism was as potent and visceral as his charges of corruption and dissipation were against the Roman Church of that period (and the preceding centuries).Don’t think he would be Roman Catholic.If Luther were alive today, he would be either Missouri Synod or Roman Catholic. I honestly don’t know which. He sure as heck would not be Evangelical.
How much of him have you read? (as opposed to hear other people talk about him - Lutherans, Protestants or Catholics) Huge difference. I volunteered at an ELCA food bank for three years - I never met a single Lutheran who had read Luther. The pastor had but no laity.
I think it’s pretty safe to say he wouldn’t have left today’s RCC. But if born into a world where the Reformation already took place, I don’t think there’s any reason he wouldn’t choose Lutheranism.
I’ve read collections of his writings, you’re point is ?
I’m not a Lutheran, but from what I’ve gathered, Luther isn’t really that big of a deal to Lutherans. I mean, beyond the obvious. I think others are surprised to understand his place in the Lutheran tradition. And I’m pretty sure that’s the way he’d want it.
Exactly - spot on. Here come the rotten tomatoes - but Vatican II was Luther’s Council.
Remember, Luther was an Augustinian monk - he knew his Tradition and Scripture. He was a Catholic and he understood what the Church was - a Lutheran to this day maintains he is in the Church - Luther knew it was impossible to be a Christian outside of it. (He would still maintain this today I believe.) somehow. One of the most basic and far-reaching tragedies of our faith.Not bad . Although the differences are more than on the surface.Exactly - spot on. Here come the rotten tomatoes - but Vatican II was Luther’s Council.
High Lutheranism is very close to Roman Catholicism - the differences seem huge on the surface but in many ways that is deceptive. Luther had his issues (Jews, anger, vitriol, pride) but he was a truly great Christian. I think the Cathlic Church should have handled that conflict a little differently…
Given what mainstream Lutheranism has replaced him with, I think he would be breathing fire, his head spinning round. Remember, at the end of his life, Luther favored the death penalty for Anabaptists. He slammed the door at rejection of the Real Presence in the Eucharist. You’re done. Not a true Christian.
He considered Calvin a Christian , although severely heterodox
True, he called him a fanatic.
Yep.
Possibly.
And what do you call the Missouri Synod vs. the ELCA?
A pillow fight? I am just teasing - I worry a lot about all of us - including the RCC in this regard. I am not sure how helpful it is to give each other a hard time here.I fear for the Anglicans , not trying to give them a hard time.And what do you call the Missouri Synod vs. the ELCA?
Interestingly, GAFCON Chairman Archbishop Eliud Wabukala responded about the Primates meeting today. He argues for a stronger Anglican Communion rather than the weaker one proposed by Archbishop Welby. A stronger communion would seem to push TEC and ACoC out, unless they accept discipline from the rest of the Communion.
Me too, I am truly sorry for the Anglicans. But I see these issues dividing all denominations. It is so sad, heartbreaking.I fear for the Anglicans , not trying to give them a hard time.
By the way ( hits you with a soft pillow)
Interesting.
gafcon.org/news/chairmans-september-pastoral-letter-2015