Archbishop of Canterbury?

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Semper_Fi said:
You are right. I guess sometimes I am like Homer Simpson in the fact that sometimes I learn too much new stuff but forget old stuff I’ve learned, lol.

But we must not discount the fact that Rowan Williams the Archbishop of Canterbury probably has valid but illicit orders now and that there are a few Anglican Bishops who do have valid apostolic succession. These individual bishops received their ordination from Old Catholics who were in communion with the Archbishop of Canterbury and some co-consecrators who were Orthodox although these Anglican Bishops are few and far between.
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In fact, since the Utrecht Old Catholics and the Anglican Communion began joint consecrations, back in 1932, and joint consecrations between the Anglican communion and the PNCC began in 1946, it’s very hard to find an Anglican bishop who doesn’t possess either OC or PNCC lines. My own rector was ordained by a traditional Anglican bishop, who was himself consecrated by an ECUSA bishop who had a PNCC bishop as a consecrator, in 1962. Given that Anglicans usually have 3 co-consecrators, the Dutch touch spread rapidly. Of course, these days the OCs are heretical themselves, and the PNCC are still holding firm.

You will not find any Orthodox co-consecrators of Anglicans, as far as I know. They don’t operate like that. If there are such cases, I’d like to know of them
The Anglican Communion recognizes its lack of valid holy orders from the view of the West & East and has been trying to reconcile this by having Old Catholic co-consecrators at their ordinations
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In fact, no such thing is true. The East has the same view of Anglican orders as they do of Roman orders; that they are potentially valid, or “empty”, but may be made valid by the one true Church. Which for the Orthodox, isn’t Rome.

It is a common thought among RCs that the Anglican Communion approached the OCs for the purpose of countering Apostolicae Curae, just as some RCs think that Lord Halifax raised the issue in 1895 because Anglicans wanted Roman reassurances on the matter. Nope.
I’m sorry to hear about you having to admit your mother into the hospital in what’s supposed to be a cheerful time of year, and hope that the Christmas season won’t become a burden to you from now on. I’ll say some prayers for your mother.
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Thank you very much. A burden is hard to define, but I have been taking care of her, as her health declined, for over 10 years. Last year she had a massive stroke, and has been basically comatose ever since. She requires hands on care 24/7 (she is at her home), of which I do about 70 hours a week. Prayers appreciated. Her name is Mae.
God Bless
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Thank you again.

GKC
 
GKC said:
Nobody has to have Articles at all, if you mean the 39. If they do use them, I know of no changes anyone has made to the official Articles. Of course, an Anglican can affirm or deny the Articles, as a group, in whole or in part (except, theoretically, as noted above). They are not an Anglican Confession, *a la *Augsburg. At bottom, they are an historical document that reflects how Elizabeth I chose to govern the CoE.

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The 25 Articles are considered the “be all, end all” authority of church governance of the First Congregational Methodist Church, I have saw the minister consult The Articles concerning baptism etc. The are in the very center of the Book of Discipline of the FCM.
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lak611 said:
What does that mean?
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In theory (note that I say theory), Anglicanism is adequately summed up in the historic Creeds (Nicene, Apostles’, Athanasian) and does not have a staement of defining doctrine, as in the case of the Augsburg Confession or Westminster Confession, for example. Hence Creedal, not Confessional.

GKC
 
sandmountainsli said:
The 25 Articles are considered the “be all, end all” authority of church governance of the First Congregational Methodist Church, I have saw the minister consult The Articles concerning baptism etc. The are in the very center of the Book of Discipline of the FCM.
WP
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Ok.

GKC
 
Cam-masta said:
In order for that to happen, the entire Anglican communion would have to be reconciled with Rome, since Anglo-catholics (or high church Anglicans) are part of the see of Canturbury. For this to happen, the radicalisation of the church of England would have to end and be reversed back to orthodoxy. Bishops like Katherine Schori (presider of the ECUSA) would have to stop using radical politically correct feminist labelling of Christ such as “Mother Jesus”. I am sure they have many good intentions and kind hearts, but the progressivist highjacking of Anglicanism in the Western world must end if there is going to be any effective dialogue and results. By the way…I love the Latin Rite. I started attending a parish called St. Clement’s and fell in love with the beautiful way in which the liturgy is expressed. Merry Christmas!
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I was using “Anglo-Catholic” in the literal sense, as in, Anglicans in Communion with Rome. If the See of Canterbury or the Church of England became a Catholic institution, that would automatically make them “Anglo-Catholics”. I was not speaking of High Church Anglicans. I don’t think that will happen anytime soon for a number of reasons however. Hopefully we can come into some sort of communion with the Traditional Anglican Communion (a body of Continuing Anglican Churches which has been in discussions with Rome on entering into full communion as a sui iuris jurisdiction) and bring the Polish National Catholic Church back into the fold of the One True Church once again.
 
Semper_Fi said:
I was using “Anglo-Catholic” in the literal sense, as in, Anglicans in Communion with Rome. If the See of Canterbury or the Church of England became a Catholic institution, that would automatically make them “Anglo-Catholics”. I was not speaking of High Church Anglicans. I don’t think that will happen anytime soon for a number of reasons however. Hopefully we can come into some sort of communion with the Traditional Anglican Communion (a body of Continuing Anglican Churches which has been in discussions with Rome on entering into full communion as a sui iuris jurisdiction) and bring the Polish National Catholic Church back into the fold of the One True Church once again.
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I think you will find that the idea that there were serious discussions between the TAC and Rome, with the goal of entering into coporate tcommunion, has evaporated like mists in the morning. It was never a reality.

More’s the pity. But it was never a reasonable goal, from either side.

GKC
 
GKC said:
I think you will find that the idea that there were serious discussions between the TAC and Rome, with the goal of entering into coporate tcommunion, has evaporated like mists in the morning. It was never a reality.

More’s the pity. But it was never a reasonable goal, from either side.

GKC
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Same thing was said about the Eastern Catholics. We still have Eastern Catholics today.
 
Semper_Fi said:
Same thing was said about the Eastern Catholics. We still have Eastern Catholics today.
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Yep. Who recognise the supremacy of the Pope. The TAC would not do that. The rumors of the discussion were that certain doctrines were to be “optional” All reasonable people knew that was not realistic. +Hepworth had a good heart. But let mejknow if and when you see this happening.

GKC
 
Semper_Fi said:
I was using “Anglo-Catholic” in the literal sense, as in, Anglicans in Communion with Rome. If the See of Canterbury or the Church of England became a Catholic institution, that would automatically make them “Anglo-Catholics”. I was not speaking of High Church Anglicans. I don’t think that will happen anytime soon for a number of reasons however. Hopefully we can come into some sort of communion with the Traditional Anglican Communion (a body of Continuing Anglican Churches which has been in discussions with Rome on entering into full communion as a sui iuris jurisdiction) and bring the Polish National Catholic Church back into the fold of the One True Church once again.
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Isn’t the “Anglo-Catholic” actually “Roman Catholic” in a true sense?
 
GKC said:
Yep. Who recognise the supremacy of the Pope. The TAC would not do that. The rumors of the discussion were that certain doctrines were to be “optional” All reasonable people knew that was not realistic. +Hepworth had a good heart. But let mejknow if and when you see this happening.

GKC
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GKC, do you support the returning of the monasteries and Catholic churches which were seized by the Protestants during the Reformation to the Church?
 
Semper_Fi said:
No.
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Yes, but weren’t the early Anglo-Catholics, around the time of St. Augustine of Canterbury, considered Roman Catholic. They are, I think, usaully addressed as the “Roman Church in England.”
 
Image_of_God said:
Yes, but weren’t the early Anglo-Catholics, around the time of St. Augustine of Canterbury, considered Roman Catholic. They are, I think, usaully addressed as the “Roman Church in England.”
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Here the term is being used in a specific way, referring to members of the Anglican Communion who are heirs of the Oxford Movement/Tractarians, and the Ritualist movement in the 19th century.

GKC

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Semper_Fi said:
So you don’t want to give us back our stuff? 🙂
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Are the Catholics likely to give back the plunder they took when they sacked Orthodox Constantinople? Are we likely to return to the division of the New World between the Portugese and the Spanish Monarchies as pronounced by the Pope? Think you’ll get the Papal States back? They were occupied by probably the most Catholic of all peoples. 😉 Some things just won’t happen even if there is reconciliation between the faiths.
 
rr1213 said:
Are the Catholics likely to give back the plunder they took when they sacked Orthodox Constantinople? Are we likely to return to the division of the New World between the Portugese and the Spanish Monarchies as pronounced by the Pope? Think you’ll get the Papal States back? They were occupied by probably the most Catholic of all peoples. 😉 Some things just won’t happen even if there is reconciliation between the faiths.
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Roughly what I would have said, if I hadn’t come down with the worse case of stomach virius I’ve ever had, Christmas Eve.

GKC, groggy.
 
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