Archbishop Says Public Leaders, Who Claim To Be Catholic But Do Not Act

[MikeinSD]

The problem is the phrase forgetting the poor must be defined properly. When will I hear a bishop, or priest, chanting use contraception you go to hell? Sterilize yourself you go to hell? Masturbate you go to hell? Have homosexual sex you go to hell?

If anyone had folks chant that can you imagine the outcry form those who claim to be “faithful”?

You could ask Archbishop Chaput to explain himself. He might refer you to the New Testament. A proper definition of the poor could be found in Matthew 25:31-40.
bible.oremus.org/?passage=Matthew+25:31-40

Seems like Jesus had a great deal to say about the poor. In the New Testament, the subject of poverty and the responsibilities of wealth is found in one out of every 10 verses in the first three Gospels, and in one out of seven verses in the Gospel of Luke. Perhaps the good archbishop takes the New Testament seriously.

 

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You could ask Archbishop Chaput to explain himself. He might refer you to the New Testament. A proper definition of the poor could be found in Matthew 25:31-40.
bible.oremus.org/?passage=Matthew+25:31-40

Seems like Jesus had a great deal to say about the poor. In the New Testament, the subject of poverty and the responsibilities of wealth is found in one out of every 10 verses in the first three Gospels, and in one out of seven verses in the Gospel of Luke. Perhaps the good archbishop takes the New Testament seriously.

Does taking it seriously mean we must support particular tax programs? Does that bind a Catholic conscience?

 

[estesbob]

You could ask Archbishop Chaput to explain himself. He might refer you to the New Testament. A proper definition of the poor could be found in Matthew 25:31-40.
bible.oremus.org/?passage=Matthew+25:31-40

Seems like Jesus had a great deal to say about the poor. In the New Testament, the subject of poverty and the responsibilities of wealth is found in one out of every 10 verses in the first three Gospels, and in one out of seven verses in the Gospel of Luke. Perhaps the good archbishop takes the New Testament seriously.

The Church has no teachings on any specific poverty program. Your as what approach to povery is best is poverty is just that-your opinion. OTH the Church is crystal clear on its teachings on Abortion. If a canidate supports abortions we can not support them regardless of how much we may think they are right on other issues.

 

[freshwater]

Why isn’t some thing done about politicians that can claim to be catholic ,and go against catholic faith ?Isn’t that fraud?Takeing anothers idenity?Seem’s to me it is a faults claim.How can anyone claim to be someone ,then go against what they claim to be? To me its like saying i am catholic ,then saying i don’t believe in the holy ghost.Any part of not believeing in the catholic faith would be the same wouldn’t it ?
HMMMMMM:tsktsk: ,freshwater

 

[Sixtus]

Estebob you say the church has no teaching on poverty. James 4:3-5 is quite specific about this.

I quote the Scriptures as Catholic teaching as they ARE the Church’s Scriptures.

 

[Sixtus]

I once had a sticker in the rear of my car which said 'ABORTION THE ULTIMATE IN CHILD ABUSE.

It was predicted by friends that my car would get wrecked [it was a wreck anyhow - as a Christian I always drive bangers and proudly call them my status symbol]. Over the 5-years I had the car, not once did I ever suffer anything untowards.

As a public service employee, a line manager did once order me to remove it as it was ‘offensive to women’. I refused. He threatened me with diciplinary action if I did not remove it. He lost his job before he was able to do anything about it.

I wish I could get another one of those stickers. Don’t know where I got it from. It summed it up nicely and was a fantastic way to witness to the pro-life cause:thumbsup:

 

[Dale_M]

I wish I could get another one of those stickers. Don’t know where I got it from. It summed it up nicely and was a fantastic way to witness to the pro-life cause

If you are willing to order online, there appears to be more than one source. Here is one: childrenoftherosary.org/bumpmain.htm
http://www.childrenoftherosary.org/bumper/B065abuse.jpg

 

[rlg94086]

Estebob you say the church has no teaching on poverty. James 4:3-5 is quite specific about this.

I quote the Scriptures as Catholic teaching as they ARE the Church’s Scriptures.

:ehh: on poverty?
Douay-Rheims; James 4:3-5:

3 You ask, and receive not; because you ask amiss: that you may consume it on your concupiscences. 4 Adulterers, know you not that the friendship of this world is the enemy of God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of this world, becometh an enemy of God. 5 Or do you think that the scripture saith in vain: To envy doth the spirit covet which dwelleth in you?

 

[rlg94086]

Estebob you say the church has no teaching on poverty. James 4:3-5 is quite specific about this.

I quote the Scriptures as Catholic teaching as they ARE the Church’s Scriptures.

Maybe this is what you were looking for? I flipped to the next chapter - James is very short.
Douay-Rheims; James 5:1-5:

1 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl in your miseries, which shall come upon you. 2 Your riches are corrupted: and your garments are motheaten. 3 Your gold and silver is cankered: and the rust of them shall be for a testimony against you, and shall eat your flesh like fire. You have stored up to yourselves wrath against the last days. 4 Behold the hire of the labourers, who have reaped down your fields, which by fraud has been kept back by you, crieth: and the cry of them hath entered into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth. 5 You have feasted upon earth: and in riotousness you have nourished your hearts, in the day of slaughter.

I still don’t see how this is Church teaching on a “poverty program.” I doubt you will find anything in the Bible or Church teaching that says government is the best vehicle for charity.

 

[MikeinSD]

The Church has no teachings on any specific poverty program. Your as what approach to povery is best is poverty is just that-your opinion. OTH the Church is crystal clear on its teachings on Abortion. If a canidate supports abortions we can not support them regardless of how much we may think they are right on other issues.

I think posters are asking for which specific taxes on specific amounts of income for specific purposes that are backed by specific teachings of the Catholic church. Unless we can specify the tax, the income taxed, the Church teaching, the posters can safely ignore the whole “help the poor issue.” Perhaps Archbishop Chaput is over his head regarding the poor. He might need to study tax law and economics before he opens his mouth again.

Some posters pointed out that Jesus had alot to say about birth control, masturbation, and homosexuality before he got around such peripheral issues such as how people treat the poor. Jesus has his priorities straight – why can’t we?

Furthermore, posters should consult the Catholic church’s centuries old teachings about tax rates and capital formation. Pls check what various Popes had to say about capital gains tax before examining Catholic “teachings” about preference for the poor.

Lastly, posters should reflect, before responding, that we are talking about dollars. Real money. Cold hard cash. Money is real. Money buys things. Money is valuable. And money defines who is really successful. Pls don’t mess with that. Religious teachings are all well and good but keep in mind we are discussing cash. Lots of folks need lots of cash. They define themselves by dollars and dry goods. Pls do not disrespect them by casually discussing obligations to the poor. Archbishop Chaput has insulted them enough.

“If we forget the poor, we’ll go to hell.”

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I think posters are asking for which specific taxes on specific amounts of income for specific purposes that are backed by specific teachings of the Catholic church. Unless we can specify the tax, the income taxed, the Church teaching, the posters can safely ignore the whole “help the poor issue.” Perhaps Archbishop Chaput is over his head regarding the poor. He might need to study tax law and economics before he opens his mouth again.

If this discussion is about public authorities, like politicians, and how they ought to live their faith then it seems fair to ask how they could support certain things such as abortion and homosexual marriage. If you claim the Gospel imperative regarding caring for the materially poor can be defined by supporting certain economic legisilation and that binds Catholic consciences then please show us.

Some posters pointed out that Jesus had alot to say about birth control, masturbation, and homosexuality before he got around such peripheral issues such as how people treat the poor. Jesus has his priorities straight – why can’t we?

The Church sets the priorities such as informing us supporting pro death politicians is morally wrong regardless of their particular position on school lunches.

In other words we will care for your material needs, if you make it past birth.

Furthermore, posters should consult the Catholic church’s centuries old teachings about tax rates and capital formation. Pls check what various Popes had to say about capital gains tax before examining Catholic “teachings” about preference for the poor.

I am all for reading social encyclicals and living them out to the fullest. Please share how you think we ought to do that.

Lastly, posters should reflect, before responding, that we are talking about dollars. Real money. Cold hard cash. Money is real. Money buys things. Money is valuable. And money defines who is really successful. Pls don’t mess with that. Religious teachings are all well and good but keep in mind we are discussing cash. Lots of folks need lots of cash. They define themselves by dollars and dry goods. Pls do not disrespect them by casually discussing obligations to the poor. Archbishop Chaput has insulted them enough.

“If we forget the poor, we’ll go to hell.”

Please show us some concrete examples of what you are talking about. Other folks have pointed out supporting so called pro choice pols can be formal cooperation with evil unless there are two pro choice pols and one can find proportionate reasons. What is you plan and what does “forgetting” the poor actually mean?