Are abortion and the killing of an unborn person morally equivalent?

[Quatsch]

I am in a discussion with a friend, and I was going to say this, but I would like to know what kind of fall-out I should expect from such a statement.

Specifically I was going to say that the killing of a one month-old child is morally equivalent to an abortion.

What’s the verdict?

 

[MariaTS]

They are both the same, however extreme social liberals will claim that they are not and get enraged when people disagree.

 

[JohnDamian]

What is the difference between an unborn child and a one month old baby?

The only difference is an unborn child is dependant upon one specific person; it’s mother - for protection. Wheras a born child can be dependant on people other than the Mother (such as Doctors; adopters and so forth). The difference is not in the Child; but in it’s relationship to the external world. A child in a hospital surrounded by hundreds of people has the same right to life as a child that has been abandoned in a remote place; or an unborn child.

However; this difference is absolutely irrelevant as far as the child is concerned. All that matters is there is a dependant and helpless child - it does not matter who it is dependant upon; it is repugnant and obscene to not help a child; and even more so to purposefully injure or slay it.

The neglectful and selfish nature of adults does not in any way alter or diminish the rights of the child.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

I am in a discussion with a friend, and I was going to say this, but I would like to know what kind of fall-out I should expect from such a statement.

Specifically I was going to say that the killing of a one month-old child is morally equivalent to an **[intentual] ** abortion.

What’s the verdict?

It would seem a lot of built in assumptions are in use? Were both killings with full intent? Abortion is not always an intentual action, some say more are aborted in nature than are born! The Church teaching refers to intentual actions used to remove and kill a living fetus and yes that is equal to killing a living baby.

 

[MariaTS]

It would seem a lot of built in assumptions are in use? Were both killings with full intent? Abortion is not always an intentional action, some say more are aborted in nature than are born! The Church teaching refers to intentional actions used to remove and kill a living fetus and yes that is equal to killing a living baby.

First of all, I corrected your spelling of the word intentional. I hope you don’t mind, there is no such word as intentual.

Second of all, how can an abortion not be intentional? Abortion implies the willful killing of an unborn child

 

[rpp]

No difference, a person is dead.

What is the difference between killing a one-month old baby and 17 year old? (If you are the parent of a 17-year old, please refrain from answering .)

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

I am in a discussion with a friend, and I was going to say this, but I would like to know what kind of fall-out I should expect from such a statement.

Specifically I was going to say that the killing of a one month-old child is morally equivalent to an abortion.

What’s the verdict?

I’m a little unclear about your post, but re your thread title the answer is yes, because they are one and the same.

 

[Quatsch]

I’m a little unclear about your post, but re your thread title the answer is yes, because they are one and the same.

Ahh, you’re right, I botched my title. Ugh.

It should be “Are abortion and the killing of a one month-old person morally equivalent?”

Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[rpp]

Ahh, you’re right, I botched my title. Ugh.

It should be “Are abortion and the killing of a one month-old person morally equivalent?”

Thanks for pointing that out.

Yes, they are morally equivalent from the moment of conception to natural death.

 

[vera_dicere]

First of all, I corrected your spelling of the word intentional. I hope you don’t mind, there is no such word as intentual.

Second of all, how can an abortion not be intentional? Abortion implies the willful killing of an unborn child

Interestingly, abortion is the actual medical term for “misscarriage”. I’m guessing the pro-aborts are responsible for calling surgica/medical termination of pregnancy an “abortion” because it sounds more natural. And of course, because the public are so used to hearing “abortion” in the context of surgical/medical termination of pregnancy that the medical profession has to be very careful about asking a woman if she’s had an abortion, because it can be very offensive to a woman who doesn’t understand that abortion = miscarriage in medical terms.

As for the OP, there is no difference between destorying a zygote, aborting a 2 week old embryo, aborting an 8 week old foetus or a 40 week foetus, or killing a 1 month old or killing a 20 year old.

All are homicide. Abortion may be a legal, but it is no less repugnant than slitting the throat of a ten year old.

There is no difference.

Yes, nature does “abort” many zygotes/embryos and foetuses for whatever reason, just as new borns can die of SIDS or a 4 year old dies of asthma or a 10 year old dies of an allergic reaction to a bee sting. Some deaths are natural. Those are not immoral. Its the deaths that are willed and intended that are morally debase.

Either all human life is worthy of protection or none of it is. People need to realise you can’t pick and choose which stage of development is more worthy, because then you get on one heck of a slippery slope in determining who is worthy.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Ahh, you’re right, I botched my title. Ugh.

It should be “Are abortion and the killing of a one month-old person morally equivalent?”

Thanks for pointing that out.

No prob. But the answer’s the same: yes, they still are murder and morally equivalent.

 

[rpp]

Interestingly, abortion is the actual medical term for “misscarriage”. I’m guessing the pro-aborts are responsible for calling surgica/medical termination of pregnancy an “abortion” because it sounds more natural. And of course, because the public are so used to hearing “abortion” in the context of surgical/medical termination of pregnancy that the medical profession has to be very careful about asking a woman if she’s had an abortion, because it can be very offensive to a woman who doesn’t understand that abortion = miscarriage in medical terms.

As for the OP, there is no difference between destorying a zygote, aborting a 2 week old embryo, aborting an 8 week old foetus or a 40 week foetus, or killing a 1 month old or killing a 20 year old.

All are homicide. Abortion may be a legal, but it is no less repugnant than slitting the throat of a ten year old.

There is no difference.

Yes, nature does “abort” many zygotes/embryos and foetuses for whatever reason, just as new borns can die of SIDS or a 4 year old dies of asthma or a 10 year old dies of an allergic reaction to a bee sting. Some deaths are natural. Those are not immoral. Its the deaths that are willed and intended that are morally debase.

Either all human life is worthy of protection or none of it is. People need to realise you can’t pick and choose which stage of development is more worthy, because then you get on one heck of a slippery slope in determining who is worthy.

Well put!

 

[manualman]

Isn’t the medical word for miscarriage “Spontaneous abortion?”

I’ve always heard the word spontaneous used amongmed types (which I am not one!).

 

[rpp]

Isn’t the medical word for miscarriage “Spontaneous abortion?”

I’ve always heard the word spontaneous used amongmed types (which I am not one!).

I too have heard the phrase “spontaneous abortion”. Sound like medi-speak.

 

[Mark77]

It would seem a lot of built in assumptions are in use? Were both killings with full intent? Abortion is not always an intentual action, some say more are aborted in nature than are born! The Church teaching refers to intentual actions used to remove and kill a living fetus and yes that is equal to killing a living baby.

**Come on Texas Roofer,

You know if you are ripping off an old widow by convincing her to replace her roof for $10,000, when a $1,000 repair would do!!!

Despite the lies & deception, abortion is ALWAYS A GRAVE EVIL, ALWAYS AN INTENTIONAL ACT!!!

Even if the mother is ignorant or mentally incompetent, the abortion Doctor knows they are murdering an innocent baby!

They are medical professionals, they know the baby will be decapitated, dismembered, & suffer incomprehensible pain in the womb, which is supposed to be the most wonderful place, this side of heaven.

These evil doctors justify murdering an innocent baby as a good thing (& they cash their paychecks written in blood!)

No mother can ever deny the most precious gift of a baby in her body!

Evil, money hungry men convince these poor women that “it’s not a baby, it just a lump of tissue…lie, lie, lie” & cash in on murder.
**
Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark

 

[Newbie2]

What is the difference between an unborn child and a one month old baby?

Or we could ask the difference in a baby entering the birth canal and one pushed out 20 minutes later.

(Relax ladies , I know it takes longer than 20 minutes. But for discussion I’m referring to the last 20 or so minutes of labor. I have the utmost respect for anyone who goes through birthing a child. God knew I’m such a wimp about pain that he made me a guy. )