Are all mortal sins equal

[Tis_Bearself]

Man I love many of the discussions about saints and scripture etc on this forum, but man oh man, the obsession with ‘sinning’ here is absurd.

I agree. It’s equalled only by the obsessions with masturbation, eating too much, and what clothes to wear to church.

Seriously, I know masturbation is a tricky topic for a lot of people and I had my struggles with it in the past, but I’ve never read so many people discussing it with relative strangers in my life.

 

[Le_Bonvivant]

I take the church’ teaching very seriously, thats why i do not take nonsense from people like you ‘claiming to be roman catholic and all’ seriously. Thank you for putting a smile on my face mate

 

[USMC_Convert]

I take the church’ teaching very seriously, thats why i do not take nonsense from people like you ‘claiming to be roman catholic and all’ seriously. Thank you for putting a smile on my face mate

It is funny to me how people can so easily blow off the ten commandments, in this case the third commandment. I’m sorry my friend you are wrong.

Here is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says about it.

2181 The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor.119 Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.

In another part it says that the Sunday Eucharist is the foremost of all Holy Days of Obligation.

 

[ChibiViolet]

The worse a mortal sin is, the more pain it causes a person in Hell if it goes unrepented.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

riiiight ^^

I was right. You did miss it. "IF’ (conditional) you die in a state of mortal sin.

or are you trying to tell us that people who commit mortal sin always repent?

Now you might not believe that missing Mass deliberately could be a mortal sin. (deliberately).

But it is. Don’t complain to me. Complain to the one who authored the Ten Commandments, from which "remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day’ the Holy Spirit led to the Truth of a Precept of the Church (you’re familiar with those, right?)

If you want to be a good Catholic, then you accept the authority of the Church when it comes to matters of faith and morals.

If you want to just take what you like and ignore or dismiss the rest, you’ll still be Catholic, just a Catholic who needs to get his ego under control at best, and to repent mortal sin (at worst).

That’s between you and God, of course, but God didn’t give the "bind and loose’ to his apostles and their successors (you’re familiar with that part of Scripture right?) because He wanted them to have fun making up new rules. . .but to have them reinforce the rules that He gave and would give.

Otherwise we would have the chaotic, Babelian vista of millions and millions of little tin gods declaring what they chose to accept, which could change at their whim. Funny, that’s not a Christian concept at all. . .

 

[Brendan_64]

It is highly possible, and even likely in my opinion, that at the moment of death we are offered a last chance to repent for our sins.

That is a beautiful thought and may well be so, but why wait until then? We have whole lifetime of opportunity to repent of our sins.

 

[Nigel7]

or are you trying to tell us that people who commit mortal sin always repent?

Now you might not believe that missing Mass deliberately could be a mortal sin. (deliberately).
…

and on and on…

I’m afraid you’re misreading. Sorry. You’re all false premise, searching so desperately for an argument.

 

[USMC_Convert]

and on and on…

I’m afraid you’re misreading. Sorry. You’re all false premise, searching so desperately for an argument.

So how then do you explain what the Catechism so clearly states?

Does it explicitly say everyone who misses mass on Sunday is guilty of a mortal sin? No, only God knows that, but it does say it is grave matter. So if you have full knowledge and consent then it would be a mortal sin.

Do you deny this?

 

[poche]

I have been under the belief that if you die with unconfessed mortal sins on your soul, you will go to hell. Period. However, some mortal sins such as missing mass occasionally, or occasionally having a few too many drinks,don’t compare to murder or adultery. Will God send those of us to hell for missing mass just like those who commit murder?. It just doesn’t seem right. I’ve heard God doesn’t sent us to hell, but it’s our choice if we don’t accept God. However, I believe many people do accept God, but just might have a time where they are a little lazy or get caught up in life, they still love God. What do you think?

You are right, sins differ in their degree and enormity, so therefore the location of the soul in Hell would depend on the gravity of teh sins that were commited.

 

[thistle]

I have trouble with the concept that someone who skips Mass occasionally ( or who, in the old days, had a hot dog on a Friday) receives the same judgment as a life-long abortionist.

Why?? A mortal sin is not accidental. It is always deliberate. Someone deliberately missing Mass is deliberately rejecting God’s love.
Whether there are degrees of punishment in Hell depending on the mortal sin I don’t know but what is clear is that your destination is determined by the state of your soul at death and it does not matter what type of mortal sin is on your soul.

 

[poche]

We are our won worst enemy.

 

[tgGodsway]

I have been under the belief that if you die with unconfessed mortal sins on your soul, you will go to hell. Period. However, some mortal sins such as missing mass occasionally, or occasionally having a few too many drinks,don’t compare to murder or adultery. Will God send those of us to hell for missing mass just like those who commit murder?. It just doesn’t seem right. I’ve heard God doesn’t sent us to hell, but it’s our choice if we don’t accept God. However, I believe many people do accept God, but just might have a time where they are a little lazy or get caught up in life, they still love God. What do you think?

Hello Sheryl Ann,

Allow me to give you a biblical perspective on this matter. God the Father is no longer passing out eternal judgments with the acceptation of those on the unconverted. In other words, when He judges His people, it will not be in regard to sin’s penalty. Why not… you might ask? Because He has already judged all sin when He judged His own Son on the cross. Listen to the authority of the Apostle John when He wrote this: “Truly, truly I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.” St. John 5:24 Sheryl, since you believe in Jesus Christ, you will not come into this kind of a judgment. You have (already) passed from eternal death, to eternal life. It is a settled matter and it is just that simple.

 

[Blue_Horizon]

Why?? A mortal sin is not accidental. It is always deliberate. Someone deliberately missing Mass is deliberately rejecting God’s love.
Whether there are degrees of punishment in Hell depending on the mortal sin I don’t know but what is clear is that your destination is determined by the state of your soul at death and it does not matter what type of mortal sin is on your soul.

I personally see no reason why mass cannot be deliberately missed now and then for considered reasons I am confident are reasonable in my circumstances…my mental wellbeing sometimes being one of them. I make up for it by going to a more peaceful and contemplative Friday one.

I raised this with my confessor (who is not the priest who says Sunday Mass) this in the course of my regular confession and he said that is your problem not the Church’s. I said it sure is and we both laughed. He absolved me.
He got his point across and I mine.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Hello Sheryl Ann,

Allow me to give you a biblical perspective on this matter. God the Father is no longer passing out eternal judgments with the acceptation of those on the unconverted. In other words, when He judges His people, it will not be in regard to sin’s penalty. Why not… you might ask? Because He has already judged all sin when He judged His own Son on the cross. Listen to the authority of the Apostle John when He wrote this: “Truly, truly I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.” St. John 5:24 Sheryl, since you believe in Jesus Christ, you will not come into this kind of a judgment. You have (already) passed from eternal death, to eternal life. It is a settled matter and it is just that simple.

Not the “Traditional Catholicism” viewpoint, obviously.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

That is a beautiful thought and may well be so, but why wait until then? We have whole lifetime of opportunity to repent of our sins.

Lots of reasons. Maybe there wasn’t Confession available in your area till Friday and you happened to sin on Wednesday and die on Thursday in a sudden accident. Maybe you committed a mortal sin and then got in a car wreck driving home and were in the hospital for a week in a coma and then died. Et cetera.

 

[tgGodsway]

Not the “Traditional Catholicism” viewpoint, obviously.

I would think our Catholic tradition supports and agrees with St. John’s view, wouldn’t you?

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I would think our Catholic tradition supports and agrees with St. John’s view, wouldn’t you?

Are you a Catholic? Your profile says “Christian”.

 

[tgGodsway]

Are you a Catholic? Your profile says “Christian”.

Yes I was born and raised in the Catholic faith. My first Church was Holy Rosary Catholic Church down in San Antonio. Since my early years, my faith is still universal, but I do not necessarily dot my I’s and cross my T’s with the Roman tradition. My faith is in the teachings of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and His Apostolic Church.

How about you? Are you in the same body?

 

[thistle]

I personally see no reason why mass cannot be deliberately missed now and then for considered reasons I am confident are reasonable in my circumstances…my mental wellbeing sometimes being one of them. I make up for it by going to a more peaceful and contemplative Friday one.

I raised this with my confessor (who is not the priest who says Sunday Mass) this in the course of my regular confession and he said that is your problem not the Church’s. I said it sure is and we both laughed. He absolved me.
He got his point across and I mine.

We all know that Mass may be missed for specific reasons. You know that is not the topic of this thread. It is about a person who simply feels lazy or cannot be bothered going. That is a sin of grave matter.
Also a weekday Mass (e.g. Friday) does not fulfill the Sunday obligation.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Yes I was born and raised in the Catholic faith. My first Church was Holy Rosary Catholic Church down in San Antonio. Since my early years, my faith is still universal, but I do not necessarily dot my I’s and cross my T’s with the Roman tradition. My faith is in the teachings of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and His Apostolic Church.

How about you? Are you in the same body?

My profile says what I am.