Are all mortal sins equal

[Blue_Horizon]

We all know that Mass may be missed for specific reasons.

I am glad you are liberal enough to agree with me that mass can now and then be deliberately missed if I feel it is bad for my mental health. My Confessor didn’t seem to be as understanding - though he absolved me anyways.

It is about a person who simply feels lazy or cannot be bothered going.

I am sorry to say that your personal view of what you think this thread is about does not mean it is THE objective one or the ONLY one .

Also a weekday Mass (e.g. Friday) does not fulfill the Sunday obligation.

The width of vision that must have gone into interpreting this as what I was saying had me rolling on the floor .

 

[tgGodsway]

Hebrews 9:28 says, “so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.”

Christ will not judge the sins of His own people in regards to hell. This point of view is weak and unconvincing in light of the Hebrew writer.

 

[USMC_Convert]

Hello Sheryl Ann,

Allow me to give you a biblical perspective on this matter. God the Father is no longer passing out eternal judgments with the acceptation of those on the unconverted. In other words, when He judges His people, it will not be in regard to sin’s penalty. Why not… you might ask? Because He has already judged all sin when He judged His own Son on the cross. Listen to the authority of the Apostle John when He wrote this: “Truly, truly I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.” St. John 5:24 Sheryl, since you believe in Jesus Christ, you will not come into this kind of a judgment. You have (already) passed from eternal death, to eternal life. It is a settled matter and it is just that simple.

Okay that is absolutely not a biblical view, it is simply one persons interpretation of a biblical passage that does NOT comply with the Catholic teaching.

Furthermore, what really strikes me as odd with this comment is the fact that you think God the Father judged Jesus. How is that if you believe in the Holy Trinity, 3 persons, 1 God? So God judged Himself?

 

[crenfro]

Hello.

Hope this helps:

Definition of mortal sin from the catholic catechism:

1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."131

Definition of grave matter comes next in the catechism:

1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother."132 The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.

If it fits the definition then it is a mortal sin and the soul is in a dangerous state.

I know that frequent confession and putting God’s will 1st in my life will help keep me from the horror of mortal sin.

It might help to read some good, reliable Catholic literature on the 7 deadly sins and God’s great mercy.

Very grateful for the sacrament of Confession.

God is not out to “get” us, He loves us more than we can fathom, but, as a sinner, I know lots of times I want what I want when I want it plus I’m often tempted by the sin of despair plus I resist being honest with myself.

However, I believe many people do accept God, but just might have a time where they are a little lazy or get caught up in life, they still love God. What do you think?

 

[crenfro]

Very funny, and true.

A man eating his wife half to death and committing adultery are completely different but both would drive his wife to leave him.

 

[Blue_Horizon]

Furthermore, what really strikes me as odd with this comment is the fact that you think God the Father judged Jesus.

He has put it strangely but the theology (medieval) behind it is perfectly acceptable if understood correctly.

Its just a way of expressing St Anselm’s “Satisfaction” theory understanding of Atonement/ Redemption. That is, as the man-God only Jesus was able to take on the sin of humanity and pay the price to God necessitated by that sin for its forgiveness.

That is exactly what “redeeming” (a slave or prisoner) means.
It means freeing a slave by paying for his freedom or swapping places oneself.

Check out here:
newadvent.org/cathen/02055a.htm

But he may of got things wrong assuming that generic redeeming/justification of Man is the same as personally destined for heaven. There is still a personal judgement to come even for the “saved”.

 

[USMC_Convert]

He has put it strangely but the theology (medieval) behind it is perfectly acceptable if understood correctly.

Its just a way of expressing St Anselm’s “Satisfaction” theory understanding of Atonement/ Redemption. That is, as the man-God only Jesus was able to take on the sin of humanity and pay the price to God necessitated by that sin for its forgiveness.

That is exactly what “redeeming” (a slave or prisoner) means.
It means freeing a slave by paying for his freedom or swapping places oneself.

Check out here:
newadvent.org/cathen/02055a.htm

But he may of got things wrong assuming that generic redeeming/justification of Man is the same as personally destined for heaven. There is still a personal judgement to come even for the “saved”.

I agree with that, except the fact that God the Father judged Jesus. If He had then He would find absolute innocence, Jesus is the Lamb of God, He is innocent, completely. That is why He is capable of making satisfaction.

 

[Blue_Horizon]

I agree with that, except the fact that God the Father judged Jesus. If He had then He would find absolute innocence, Jesus is the Lamb of God, He is innocent, completely. That is why He is capable of making satisfaction.

I think we can say the Father judged Jesus when he said: “This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased”!

 

[jas84173]

I read some of the comments and feel kind of sick to my stomach. How are we going to tell someone they are going to hell? There’s a lot of people in hell in that case. What so if a person lives a righteous life giving to charity and volunteering their whole lives, oversleeps and misses Mass one Sunday without a valid excuse and then gets hit by a car and dies the next day, he’s going to Hell? Sorry but that is a load of ****.

 

[rabbitdonkey]

I read some of the comments and feel kind of sick to my stomach. How are we going to tell someone they are going to hell? There’s a lot of people in hell in that case. What so if a person lives a righteous life giving to charity and volunteering their whole lives, oversleeps and misses Mass one Sunday without a valid excuse and then gets hit by a car and dies the next day, he’s going to Hell? Sorry but that is a load of ****.

Well i he oversleeps and misses Mass because he was sleeping through it, and he didnt decide to do so but just didnt wake up in time. Then he wouldnt have the sufficient reflection or deliberate consent to commit a mortal sin.

 

[Reuben_J]

I read some of the comments and feel kind of sick to my stomach. How are we going to tell someone they are going to hell? There’s a lot of people in hell in that case. What so if a person lives a righteous life giving to charity and volunteering their whole lives, oversleeps and misses Mass one Sunday without a valid excuse and then gets hit by a car and dies the next day, he’s going to Hell? Sorry but that is a load of ****.

You are right simply because we do not know it. It’s for God to decide. We can only trust in his love, mercy and forgiveness.

However the foibles of man never change. . people like to make judgement, which God’s and His alone.

 

[brian_custer]

God will sort out the goats from the lambs at the end of time

just do the best you can, get to confession as often as possible

this is like the angels on needle mental gymnastics…

i am curious how long the confession lines will be this weekend considering we are allegedly on the verge of atomic warfare

i doubt the lines will be any longer than usual…

 

[jas84173]

Well i he oversleeps and misses Mass because he was sleeping through it, and he didnt decide to do so but just didnt wake up in time. Then he wouldnt have the sufficient reflection or deliberate consent to commit a mortal sin.

Look even though the Church teaches something, they aren’t God. Yes we should strive to follow what it teaches but in the end if you live a righteous life, but miss Mass and die, I doubt God will really care. The Church won’t even confirm whether some of the worst people in history are in he’ll, So who are we to act like we have a clue? For all I know hell is empty.

 

[thistle]

I read some of the comments and feel kind of sick to my stomach. How are we going to tell someone they are going to hell? There’s a lot of people in hell in that case. What so if a person lives a righteous life giving to charity and volunteering their whole lives, oversleeps and misses Mass one Sunday without a valid excuse and then gets hit by a car and dies the next day, he’s going to Hell? Sorry but that is a load of ****.

You are wrong.

If a person oversleeps and misses Mass that is not a deliberate act/intention to miss Mass and would not be a sin.

Second, you can’t tell anyone they are going to Hell. Their destination is determined by the state of their soul at death and only God knows that.

We can only say objectively that anyone dying in a state of mortal sin will immediately go to Hell.