Are all Roman Catholic liturgies the exact same?

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Evan said:
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Are there any Carmelites celebrating the Carmelite rite these days?
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Cody, Wyoming, US
St. Anthony – Mass Times: Saturday 08:30AM [Latin] (Carmelite Rite)
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FWIW, there is a similar community in Brazil (I’ve forgotten the exact name) which also uses the Carmelite Rite.

In addition, there are, as I understand it, some O.Carm (not OCD since they formally abandoned the Rite at their inception) houses which use it (in whole or in part) as well. IIRC, there are two such in the US. And of course, in the wake of Universae Ecclesiae’s clarification of Summorum Pontificum, any O.Carm priest may learn it and offer it, at least in private.
 
Laudate_Dominum said:
You forgot Sarum Use :p!
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Actually, the Sarum Rite is one of those that was formally suppressed after Trent since it had not been in continuous use for the required 200-year minimum. That was, of course, mainly due to Cranmer and his cronies. I believe Queen Mary attempted to restore it, but her good efforts in that regard were, unfortunately, in vain.

While in relatively recent times the Sarum Rite has been used occasionally, that is only by special indult.
 
malphono said:
Actually, the Sarum Rite is one of those that was formally suppressed after Trent since it had not been in continuous use for the required 200-year minimum. That was, of course, mainly due to Cranmer and his cronies. I believe Queen Mary attempted to restore it, but her good efforts in that regard were, unfortunately, in vain.

While in relatively recent times the Sarum Rite has been used occasionally, that is only by special indult.
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I don’t believe the Sarum Use was suppressed by Trent. It certainly fell out of use after the standardisation of the Roman Rite. But it wasn’t suppressed.

It’s just that very few people know it.
 
Laudate_Dominum said:
I don’t believe the Sarum Use was suppressed by Trent. It certainly fell out of use after the standardisation of the Roman Rite. But it wasn’t suppressed.

It’s just that very few people know it.
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It’s true that the Sarum Rite had been in decline (although still in limited use) due to the proliferation of the Roman Rite but that decline started well before Henry VIII and had nothing to do with the standardization of the Missal resulting from Trent.

The Rites that survived were those few that had been in continuous use for at least 200 years before Trent. The Sarum Rite was suppressed since it’s continuity of use was broken prior to Trent. One can thank Cranmer for that.
 
ProVobis said:
To some extent this is true. However in both forms you will find the sequence to be almost the same:

Asperges Me (if any)
Confiteor
Kyrie
Gloria (if any)
Epistle
Gospel
sermon (if any)
Creed (if any)
Offertory
Lavabo
Preface
Sanctus
Canon
Minor elevation
Pater Noster
Agnus Dei
Domini non sum dignus
communion
Final prayers and Blessing.
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It is beautiful how the Mass is the Mass.👍
 
malphono said:
It’s true that the Sarum Rite had been in decline (although still in limited use) due to the proliferation of the Roman Rite but that decline started well before Henry VIII and had nothing to do with the standardization of the Missal resulting from Trent.

The Rites that survived were those few that had been in continuous use for at least 200 years before Trent. The Sarum Rite was suppressed since it’s continuity of use was broken prior to Trent. One can thank Cranmer for that.
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Sarum was being standardised throughout Britain up until Henri VIII. It was the last Catholic liturgical act of his government. After that the Mass altogether was suppressed. You mention Cranmer but that’s like saying that these Catholic women who pretend to be priests and use the Roman Rite have somehow effected a change in the Roman Rite.

The Roman Rite gained prominence in Britain after the schism due to priests and religious receiving their education and training on the Continent. They learned the Roman Rite in the French and Spanish seminaries.
 
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