Are Allah And Jesus The Same God?

[Faith101]

:yawn: Yeah, but “the god” allah, says that Jesus Christ (our God) is not His Son and anyone who dies thinking so will go to the lowest Hell where she will be tortured to the max in a vat of boiling poop for ever and ever! So, how in the world do you think that “the god” you are talking about is our God? I mean, how in the world do you figure…!

Yes, God has no sons, no equals, no partners. Some people have chosen to worship Jesus Christ as God’s son, thats their choice…doesnt make it true.

 

[hdbarton]

Faith101:

Yes, God has no sons, no equals, no partners. Some people have chosen to worship Jesus Christ as God’s son, thats their choice…doesnt make it true.

:dancing: Exactly my point! Exactly. My God has a Son, and your god has none, and will punish in the lowest Hell those who say he is not barren. Now you see, my God is not your God. Not at all. I cannot even burn a pinch of incense to your god or I will be gulilty of idoleraty. Thank you for coming forth to give me my point. TEXT DELETED :angel1: Our God’s angels have free will, they are not robots, may it be written that you too are now free to choose your own way - god bless

 

[Cyber_Knight]

Good point barton . I just cant understand why Muslim and some Christian claim we worship the same God JESUS HPHN( highest praise for his name )! while the fact of the each holy scriptures tell different thing.

 

[hdbarton]

Cyber Knight:

Good point barton . I just cant understand why Muslim and some Christian claim we worship the same God JESUS HPHN( highest praise for his name )! while the fact of the each holy scriptures tell different thing.

thanks cyber crusader, if we say that God is God and allah too, are we not “burning a pinch of incense” to another god, a god who says that our God Jesus is not the true God?. Now I ask you, if this is not idolarity, then there is no such thing as Idolarity! They are tricking these poor chritians into committing Idolarity

 

[Booklover]

Faith101:

Because He chose not to. It’s HIS creation, He can do whatever He wants.

Our catechism states that God created them with free will and that the devil was an archangel, as I’ve shown before. How do you know that your version is the correct one? Just like you claim that your religion comes from God, so do we. The Holy Spirit has been guiding the Church from the beginning, so that it will not fall into error in its teachings.

By the way, if God can do anything, he can also be a Trinity even if you don’t want to believe it! And again, we worship ONE GOD, not 3!

Muslims believe that the Angel Gabriel and the Holy Spirit are the same thing, but you can’t accept the Trinity! That’s another thing that Mohammed got wrong, by the way. Gabriel is an archangel, not the Holy Spirit and Mohammed’s account of the conception and birth of Jesus is a complete mess! If it really had come from God, it would have been consistent with ours. Sounds to me like he got his info from some Christian heretics who didn’t know what the heck they were talking about.

Vickie

P.S. What are Christian jinns???

 

[eleusis]

Faith101:

Yes, God has no sons, no equals, no partners. Some people have chosen to worship Jesus Christ as God’s son, thats their choice…doesnt make it true.

And some people have decided to worship a Jinn that a man told them told him was in reality “the one god”. A man who could perform no miracles, never raised the dead, never healed the sick but only claimed to hear voices and see spirits that said they were really angels. Just because people may choose to worship a spirit Muhammad said was really “god” doesn’t make it true either.

Faith101:
Muslims believe that it was the Angel Gabriel that came to Mohamed peace be upon him to tell him that God has chosen Mohamed as his messenger. Mohamed’s duty would be to convey the message that there was only one God and that He alone is worthy of worship.

“Faith” Is your Allah the father of sons and daughters or is he the master of slaves?

 

[hdbarton]

:bowdown2:

:ehh: Are you saying then that the Koran does not tell the truth about who God really is, and even puts false words into God’s mouth?

Well, after thinking over your words care fully. I am more enlightened than I was, but I am still learning, so i wrote meself this letter which I am now showing you, my teacher: Why attack these people! Have you read the Koran? You have! Well then, why do you wonder why muslims act this way? It is only because the Koran tells them to act this way, and, the Koran plainly states in words from the only true God that anyone who doesn’t do as it commands will suffer everlasting torments in the Hell of Hells. Instead of complaining about the way these brainwashed people act (like, anything else is possible?) why not tell the truth about the only thing in the world that is making them act this way? It is only the Koran! Attack the Koran, not humans! Every suicide bomber you kill or convert to sanity will be replaced immediately by the Mighty Koran like a many-headed hydra, the Koran will grow back ten heads for everyone you off or convert/why bother? It’s the Koran stupid! Nothing is wrong with Allah! Think! :tsktsk:

 

[hdbarton]

:bowdown: Well, I’m confused because the Koran states very clearly that Jesus is not the son of God, and that Jesus did not die on the cross and redeem mankind, and that God is not our heavenly father, and that God never had a Son and never had any children at all, and that anyone who thinks otherwise is committing the worst sin of all sins. And what is above is what all my Muslin friends tell me. It seems to me that they can’t possible believe that Jesus is God. They do not seem to be Pro Christ, but Anti Christ. But, there must be some way that we do worship the same God if the Church so teaches. Can anyone help me out here? :They say also that because christians believe these thing, they will go to the lowest Hell. I need a little help here, my IQ is almost normal so just a little should do it, thank you confused:

Notice above how i used the word Anti christ?

 

[Faith101]

Booklover:

Our catechism states that God created them with free will and that the devil was an archangel, as I’ve shown before. How do you know that your version is the correct one? Just like you claim that your religion comes from God, so do we. The Holy Spirit has been guiding the Church from the beginning, so that it will not fall into error in its teachings.

Every person with a religion believes that their religion is the right one. If I didnt believe that Islam was the truth, I wouldnt be Muslim. And if you didnt believe that Christianity was the truth, you wouldnt be Christian.

I do have a problem with Angels having free will…simply because Angels are involved a lot in revelation. In any case, its a minor point. You believe that there are demons, yet what are demons? Are they Angels gone bad? In Islam, its pretty clear.

By the way, if God can do anything, he can also be a Trinity even if you don’t want to believe it! And again, we worship ONE GOD, not 3!

That argument doesnt always work. Say you are talking to a hindu (many of the Hindus I know say they believe in ONE God and get very offended when someone says otherwise)…what will your argument be with a Hindu? If God can be trinity, then surely he’s complex enough to be 100 persons in 1.

The idea is that Muslims believe that God is not a unity of things…He’s just one, unique. He begets not nor is He begotten. This idea is what separates Islam from every religion in the world

font=Comic Sans MS]Muslims believe that the Angel Gabriel and the Holy Spirit are the same thing, but you can’t accept the Trinity! That’s another thing that Mohammed got wrong, by the way. Gabriel is an archangel, not the Holy Spirit and Mohammed’s account of the conception and birth of Jesus is a complete mess! If it really had come from God, it would have been consistent with ours. Sounds to me like he got his info from some Christian heretics who didn’t know what the heck they were talking about.

Just because its not the account thats found in the Bible, doesnt make it false.

P.S. What are Christian jinns???

Jinns who are Christian

 

[exoflare]

Faith101:

You believe that there are demons, yet what are demons? Are they Angels gone bad?

Yes

 

[Faith101]

exoflare:

Yes

Do you also believe that some Angels have the job of relaying messages (ie revelation) to the messengers?

 

[hdbarton]

Faith101:

Every person with a religion believes that their religion is the right one. If I didnt believe that Islam was the truth, I wouldnt be Muslim. And if you didnt believe that Christianity was the truth, you wouldnt be Christian.
I do have a problem with Angels having free will…simply because Angels are involved a lot in revelation. In any case, its a minor point. You believe that there are demons, yet what are demons? Are they Angels gone bad? In Islam, its pretty clear.

Barton says:

No, no, no. None of us believe that jinns are anything but the most horrendous and evil devils - we would rather be dead than to even talk to one! Check it out! :bigyikes:

That argument doesnt always work. Say you are talking to a hindu (many of the Hindus I know say they believe in ONE God and get very offended when someone says otherwise)…what will your argument be with a Hindu? If God can be trinity, then surely he’s complex enough to be 100 persons in 1.

The idea is that Muslims believe that God is not a unity of things…He’s just one, unique. He begets not nor is He begotten. This idea is what separates Islam from every religion in the world

Just because its not the account thats found in the Bible, doesnt make it false.

Jinns who are Christian No, no, no. None of us believe that jinns are anything but the most horrendous and evil devils - we would rather be dead than to even talk to one! Check it out!

 

[Faith101]

No, no, no. None of us believe that jinns are anything but the most horrendous and evil devils - we would rather be dead than to even talk to one! Check it out!

huh? Not all jinn are evil. They are not all “demons”…some of them have found the guidance of their Lord, and they have submitted to Him.

 

[exoflare]

Faith101:

Do you also believe that some Angels have the job of relaying messages (ie revelation) to the messengers?

They have served that function many times, yeah.

 

[hdbarton]

Faith101:

huh? Not all jinn are evil. They are not all “demons”…some of them have found the guidance of their Lord, and they have submitted to Him.

From barton--------
No, No, No…, they are demons! None of them have submited to Allah! In Europe they were called “familars” and they are the most devious lying devils there are in the whole universe! If we listen to them, even a little bit, they will deceive us with their cunning! I am begging you to stop talking to them! No one of them is anything but pure evil - don’t listen! Love Barton:angel1:

 

[hdbarton]

hdbarton:

Jinns who are Christian

No, no, no. None of us believe that jinns are anything but the most horrendous and evil devils - we would rather be dead than to even talk to one! Check it out!

As for the trinity [barton here] Because perfection is perfectly perfect you can not be more than perfect and you can not be less than perfect and be perfect. Why are the three one, no reason excpt they are PERFECT. Perfect means that all you can be. Can there be 100 different functions in one God? Yes! But it would be redundant and redundentcy isn’t perfect - there only needs to be three. Why? Because the perfect organization is perfect! (don’t believe in organized religion? What then? Disorganized religion?) Even so, you can not believe in a disorganized God, so, for God to be organized He has to have something to organize. Hence, Father, Son, Holy Spirit! Or, to make it simple for you, The General Overseer, The Specific Actualizer, of what the Overseer sees that should be done. and the Protector Of The Whole Oganization, called the holy ghost. It’s very clear, however if you do not believe me yet, just look at what the word “holy” means! It means, "set apart from the world (protected from disruption). I hope this helps, All love, hdbarton The fully story about all this can be found on a very easy on your eyes e book that free to read or download at godmodern.com/ Please chech it out - I promise you will not be bored and there are no advertizments?

 

[exoflare]

hdbarton:

From barton--------
No, No, No…, they are demons! None of them have submited to Allah! In Europe they were called “familars” and they are the most devious lying devils there are in the whole universe! If we listen to them, even a little bit, they will deceive us with their cunning! I am begging you to stop talking to them! No one of them is anything but pure evil - don’t listen! Love Barton:angel1:

What the heck are you talking about?

 

[hdbarton]

exoflare:

What the heck are you talking about?

The Moslems believe in angels and devils and also a thing inbetween called Jinns (like the smoke comming out of addens’ lamp), but, they can be good or evil, so you can make deals with them and get rich etc. But they are really just like the "familiers the witches of Europe would have as their companions whom they also thought were their helpers. It’s in the Koran and all moslem writings. Not something I am making up.

 

[hdbarton]

exoflare:

What the heck are you talking about?

Well, its not just the Jinns I’m having trouble with. I really don’t want to be a Bigot like jcaz says I am, just another trouble maker. I’m really really trying to under-stand. But this other thing bothers me a whole lot more and I need help with it. Someone of you wonderful people out there can surely help me with by emotional involvement with this stuff. But no one can say I’m not trying! But see? Muhammad is a role-model for all time. Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 and had sexual intercourse with her when she was 9. I find appalling that Muslims consider this act of Muhammad to be that of the man who is in every way a role-model, and hence to be emulated. In particular, I am appalled that virtually the first act of the Ayatollah Khomeini, a very orthodox and learned Shi’a theologian, was to lower the marriageable age of girls in Iran to 9 – because, of course, it was Aisha’s age when Muhammad had sexual relations with her. Someone please give me a new perspective on these things. All love :tiphat:

 

[exoflare]

Well, its not just the Jinns I’m having trouble with. I really don’t want to be a Bigot like jcaz says I am, just another trouble maker. I’m really really trying to under-stand. But this other thing bothers me a whole lot more and I need help with it. Someone of you wonderful people out there can surely help me with by emotional involvement with this stuff. But no one can say I’m not trying! But see? Muhammad is a role-model for all time. Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 and had sexual intercourse with her when she was 9. I find appalling that Muslims consider this act of Muhammad to be that of the man who is in every way a role-model, and hence to be emulated. In particular, I am appalled that virtually the first act of the Ayatollah Khomeini, a very orthodox and learned Shi’a theologian, was to lower the marriageable age of girls in Iran to 9 – because, of course, it was Aisha’s age when Muhammad had sexual relations with her. Someone please give me a new perspective on these things. All love :tiphat:

I would start a separate thread on that question, if there hasn’t been one started already.