Are Americans less-evolved?

[Moonstruck888]

That’s balderdash.

You don’t think people are afraid of the USA?

We have God, the devil’s efforts to block God from Americans’ lives notwithstanding.

Well, that’s a win win situation. I’ll stick with social justice and you can keep God…

Some people value freedom, which is fast fading here, above other things.

Delightful irony from a man living in the only first world country in the last sixty years to run a concentration camp with detainies who were denied Habeas Corpus.

Not for me. And, as antiAmerican as this present Administration talks, it might not be problematic for them, either.

That’s very interesting. An event that would end the United States of America as a superpower, the trading of oil in currencies other than the dollar, wouldn’t be a problem for you?

Well, I’m sure that I love America more than you do.

I can’t see a just God putting that in the plus column.

When it comes to looking down noses, aren’t you the pot calling the kettle black?
I only target animals that are good to eat. And, I prefer open sights to scopes and such… that reminds me…thanks for reminding me, there’s an item I want to add to my arsenal.

I’m not even shocked.

 

[donsnow]

So it comes down to that does it?

I would rather spend eternity in hell than spend one second in heaven with the likes of you, my vicious, thuggish friend.

Don’t tell your Christian girlfriend that.

This is where loving God comes in. I want more of Him.

That line you closed with is an old old Atheist propaganda piece. Moonstruck888, if you like peace of mind and compassion for others, then you really don’t want to go to hell…there’s none of that there.

 

[Moonstruck888]

Don’t tell your Christian girlfriend that.

She knows.

This is where loving God comes in. I want more of Him.

That line you closed with is an old old Atheist propaganda piece. Moonstruck888, if you like peace of mind and compassion for others, then you really don’t want to go to hell…there’s none of that there.

Let me rephrase. I only wish there actually were a hell for you and that other mindless thug to go to…

 

[Black_Rose]

because it hates Jews.
Third, citizens of other countries are jealous of the rights and liberties we have in America and act out their jealousy different ways.

Do you have any evidence for this?

 

[Andy_III]

I would rather spend eternity in hell than spend one second in heaven with the likes of you, my vicious, thuggish friend.

Be careful what you wish for! I’d rather see us all in heaven – including the most bitter of enemies!

 

[Andy_III]

I’ll stick with social justice and you can keep God…

Care to define social justice? The definitions I’ve heard lately involve stealing money in order to make everyone poor and miserable. Is that what you prefer to an all-powerful and ever-living God that loves you so much that He sent His only Son to die for you in the most humiliating and excruciating way possible so that you would have the chance to be with Him?

 

[tjm190]

It puzzles me exactly why you think there is anything in the USA to aspire to or be jealous of, particularly for someone devoutly religious.

Who would want Euros at this point?

But on a more serious note- All countries use the resources they have at hand to best serve their interests. America has lots of resources, and lots of interests- so we end up playing world police. Atrocities here and there? Sure- I defy you to name a world power (from history) that hasn’t committed atrocities.

 

[Moonstruck888]

Be careful what you wish for! I’d rather see us all in heaven – including the most bitter of enemies!

If every armchair general in the USA is in heaven, I think it would be better that the reasonable members of the human race go to the other place where there will be less destructive influences…

 

[Moonstruck888]

Who would want Euros at this point?

But on a more serious note- All countries use the resources they have at hand to best serve their interests. America has lots of resources, and lots of interests- so we end up playing world police. Atrocities here and there? Sure- I defy you to name a world power (from history) that hasn’t committed atrocities.

Well that’s a great argument, because past powers have had no ethical dimenstion to their policy, we should do the same. I’ll be sure to remind you of it in 10 years when China is the superpower and using the USA’s actions as an excuse to rampage across the planet.

 

[Moonstruck888]

Care to define social justice? The definitions I’ve heard lately involve stealing money in order to make everyone poor and miserable. Is that what you prefer to an all-powerful and ever-living God that loves you so much that He sent His only Son to die for you in the most humiliating and excruciating way possible so that you would have the chance to be with Him?

I have never heard any definiton of social justice that sounds anything like the one you gave.

God loves me so much that he incarnated himself in human flesh and then sacrificed himself to himself so that I have a chance to be with him after I’m dead?

I’d be a lot more impressed if he came up with a five year plan of social reform to make everyone better off in this life and curb the excesses of capitalism.

 

[Splinker]

Well that’s a great argument, because past powers have had no ethical dimenstion to their policy, we should do the same. I’ll be sure to remind you of it in 10 years when China is the superpower and using the USA’s actions as an excuse to rampage across the planet.

That’s pretty funny. The thought that China needs the USA – or any other country – to use as a template for human rights violations.

 

[Moonstruck888]

That’s pretty funny. The thought that China needs the USA – or any other country – to use as a template for human rights violations.

True… I don’t think China are much better…

 

[tjm190]

Well that’s a great argument, because past powers have had no ethical dimenstion to their policy, we should do the same. I’ll be sure to remind you of it in 10 years when China is the superpower and using the USA’s actions as an excuse to rampage across the planet.

Because adding an ethical dimension to policy is foolish unless it is for the sake of public relations, unless you are actively trying to lessen your nations influence. You act like other nations would behave differently, in which case you really need a dose of reality and perhaps some history.

 

[Moonstruck888]

Because adding an ethical dimension to policy is foolish unless it is for the sake of public relations, unless you are actively trying to lessen your nations influence. You act like other nations would behave differently, in which case you really need a dose of reality and perhaps some history.

That’s like saying the biggest boy in the schoolyard has to be a sadistic bully or he’ll shrink. You can have a powerful military without using it to steal everyone elses money. You can set up ethical trade agreements… In short you can be fair in your dealings with others without being weak.

 

[tjm190]

That’s like saying the biggest boy in the schoolyard has to be a sadistic bully or he’ll shrink. You can have a powerful military without using it to steal everyone elses money. You can set up ethical trade agreements… In short you can be fair in your dealings with others without being weak.

There is no need to be sadistic, but indifferent- a nation that tempers it’s own military and economic policies based on what it deems ethical will be outcompeted by one that does not. It’s a game theory scenario- sure, it would be nice if everyone wanted to sing songs and hold hands. But this is not the world we live in. Everyone’s out for themselves, the bigger countries are just the best at it.

 

[Moonstruck888]

There is no need to be sadistic, but indifferent- a nation that tempers it’s own military and economic policies based on what it deems ethical will be outcompeted by one that does not. It’s a game theory scenario- sure, it would be nice if everyone wanted to sing songs and hold hands. But this is not the world we live in. Everyone’s out for themselves, the bigger countries are just the best at it.

So how come there are powerful countries that aren’t sadistic the way the USA is?

As long as my coutry’s economy is growing and the people are happy and healthy, why does it matter if some other country is growing faster by mistreating people? It doesn’t mean my country has to follow suit, nor does it mean that I should envy the people living in the USA.

 

[tjm190]

So how come there are powerful countries that aren’t sadistic the way the USA is?

As long as my coutry’s economy is growing and the people are happy and healthy, why does it matter if some other country is growing faster by mistreating people?

The USA goes around hurting people for its own enjoyment? The world has a finite amount of resources- if you want x% of them, you have to bigger then the other guys. People talk about China’s growth- is China doing so by being nice to everybody?

 

[Moonstruck888]

The USA goes around hurting people for its own enjoyment? The world has a finite amount of resources- if you want x% of them, you have to bigger then the other guys. People talk about China’s growth- is China doing so by being nice to everybody?

Well, I would have said hurting people for no valid reason rather than for enjoyment.

The resources are not yours nor China’s to take… In a few years time, when China is bullying and the US is a spent force, you’ll know exactly what I’m talking about…

Your argument is basically that might is right… I reject that argument. I see nothing fundamentally honourable nor good in it…

 

[tjm190]

Well, I would have said hurting people for no valid reason rather than for enjoyment.

The resources are not yours nor China’s to take… In a few years time, when China is bullying and the US is a spent force, you’ll know exactly what I’m talking about…

Your argument is basically that might is right… I reject that argument. I see nothing fundamentally honourable nor good in it…

Then who don’t ‘belong’ to anyone, even if they happen to live on top of them.

I’m not saying it’s honorable or ‘good’- but it’s how the world operates. America could play nice, but that would only accelerate the rise of other nations with respect to America- pragmatic nations prosper.

 

[Moonstruck888]

Then who don’t ‘belong’ to anyone, even if they happen to live on top of them.

Ah… Now we’re getting to it… I should have known… Your whole culture is based on the forced displacement of a people… And this little chestnut let’s you extend your empire around the world without calling it an empire.

It’s a pernicious lie. Everyone should be able to profit from the land they live on, and the money generated used for the greater good.

I’m not saying it’s honorable or ‘good’- but it’s how the world operates. America could play nice, but that would only accelerate the rise of other nations with respect to America- pragmatic nations prosper.

Then lobby against it. Tell people it’s wrong. America is a spent empire now anyway, nothing can stop The Far East being the next superpower now. Everything in the world is now manufactured there.

Do the right thing. Try to be part of the solution, not the problem.

Be a true Christian and practice some of the love you preach so readily.