Are animals more real parents than us?

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Animals give their offspring life itself, while humans according the Magisterium only give structured guck. Of course we are thus more children of God than animals, but aren’t they more parents of their own then we are by this logic?
 
Human parents give their offspring life too–just as any other animal. The difference is that Gd interjects an immortal soul in humans, thus human reproduction is actually a 3 person process involving a man, a woman and God. This is one reason why aborting a human baby is such a horrible thing while ending the life of an unborn animal–while perhaps unpleasant is not a sin. Human babies have God as a specific part of the process of pregnancy and an immortal soul that God alone puts there----which makes us different than animals.
 
The more I think and mull over your question the more confused I get.
 
RosslynV said:
The more I think and mull over your question the more confused I get.
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I have the same reaction. OP, can you site a passage or paragraph that supports your statement about “structured guck” – whatever that is :confused:
 
seagal said:
I have the same reaction. OP, can you site a passage or paragraph that supports your statement about “structured guck” – whatever that is :confused:
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I don’t even want to think about what UNstructured guck might be! :eek:
 
Starrsmother said:
Human parents give their offspring life too–just as any other animal. The difference is that Gd interjects an immortal soul in humans, thus human reproduction is actually a 3 person process involving a man, a woman and God. This is one reason why aborting a human baby is such a horrible thing while ending the life of an unborn animal–while perhaps unpleasant is not a sin. Human babies have God as a specific part of the process of pregnancy and an immortal soul that God alone puts there----which makes us different than animals.
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I think God is part of animal reproduction too. I can’t accept the idea that animals don’t have a spirit or soul. I have seen too many things done by animals that just don’t make sense from the perspective of being soulless. I have seen them reason, figure out problems, show affection, concern for others beside themselves, and so on.

We need to review our perspective on animals quite a bit as far as I am concerned, including the Church. It seems a bit arrogant to assume animals are without souls, frankly.
 
Well doesn’t human life itself come from the soul? Therefore we are not the parents of the life, but the provider of the material for the soul to form. Perhaps animal “souls” are given by God as well. The same question can be thus asked about them as well. Are they really parents then?
 
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Well doesn’t human life itself come from the soul? Therefore we are not the parents of the life, but the provider of the material for the soul to form. Perhaps animal “souls” are given by God as well. The same question can be thus asked about them as well. Are they really parents then?
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Or perhaps, as observation indicates, we are just a higher form of animal.
 
Our physical bodies are provided by us in the act of crestion God gave to mankind. Our souls are provided by God himself–no man can provide a soul to anyone or anything. Thus, the creation of a new child is a 3 way process–it is the act of a man and woman blessed by God Himself and done along with God’s interraction. When we create a new life it is because God deigns to allow us to work with Him in creating a new life! We are invited to participate in God’s own power of creation! What an honor that God allows simple men and women to share in the very act of creation! 👍
 
oldcelt said:
Or perhaps, as observation indicates, we are just a higher form of animal.
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We are a higher form of animal but not, as your post suggests, “merely” a higher form, like the next rung in a ladder or the next step in evolution. According to this article in Catholic Answers animals and plants do have material souls, but their souls cease to exist at their death. Our souls are immaterial and thus immortal. Also, humans have the capacity to reason and love in a way that animals simply can’t.

Still waiting to hear from the OP for clarification on “structured guck”.
 
my point is that animal souls are not immaterial, so they are truly passed on by the parents. So how can humans be truly co-creators when they DON’T provide the live, but merely the material for the life to animate
 
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