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What you believe saves and what you believe condemns.
Pro 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so [is] he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart [is] not with thee.
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Pro 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so [is] he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart [is] not with thee.
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Sixtus
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While I agree with the idea of admonishing sin. I for my part cannot see my brothers and sisters sin due to my vision being obstructed by a plank!
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ricmat
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Indeed, we should all pray that we can see our own sins (and stop them) as we see the sins of others (and attempt to stop them as well.).While I agree with the idea of admonishing sin. I for my part cannot see my brothers and sisters sin due to my vision being obstructed by a plank!
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paarsurrey
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Hi
This is, to me, only a misunderstanding.
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kellie
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Ok so the Catholic Encyclopeadia is a misunderstanding, according to you.
What about Wikipedia?
After each major battle with the Medinans, Muhammad accused one of the Jewish tribes of treachery (see Surah 2:100) and attacked it. After Badr and Uhud, the Banu Qaynuqa and Banu Nadir, respectively, were expelled “with their families and possessions” from Medina. After the Battle of the Trench in 627, the Muslims accused the Jews of Banu Qurayza of conspiring with the Meccans, then exterminated the male members of the Banu Qurayza. The females and children were sold as slaves. [62]
Two types of explanations are given for Muhammad’s treatment of the Jews of Medina: Theological and Political. The theological explanation given by some Arab historians and biographers is that:“the punishment of the Medina Jews, who were invited to convert and refused, perfectly exemplify the Quran’s tales of what happened to those who rejected the prophets of old.” Others offered a political explanation.[63] F.E. Peters, a western scholar of Islam, states that Muhammad’s treatment of Jews of Medina was essentially political being prompted by what Muhammad read as treasonous and not some transgression of the law of God.[61] Peters adds that Muhammad was possibly emboldened by his military successes and also wanted to push his advantage.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad#Muhammad_as_a_military_leader
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paarsurrey
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Please read the following book for more information on the issue:
alislam.org/books/
Introduction to the Study of The Holy Quran- English
Please don’t mind to download the book and studying it intently, maybe you understand.
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dolphinlove
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Paarsurrey,
Im sorry, but you are never going to convince us to ‘understand’
Everytime someone has asked you something, and you dont have the answer, your reply is always ‘look up www.alislam’
If you do know the answers, why not take the time to post your answer correctly instead of trying to point us to a website.
Your ‘discussion’ will never be convincing if your reply is always ‘look at this site’.
As I said before, I will never convert and will never take the time to read the quran, I still have a lot to study and understand about the catholic religion, but one thing I do know, Jesus is my saviour, and that will never change…
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kellie
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Are you saying the Catholic Encyclopaedia AND wikipaedia are both wrong?
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paarsurrey
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Hi
There is always a room for improvement.No compulsion.
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Sixtus
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ricmat posted:
Me thinks it will be a long way off!
When I have found a way of combating my OWN sin then and only then will I reproach my brothers and sisters.
Me thinks it will be a long way off!
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ricmat
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Those who possess ANY sanctifying grace are obligated to perform the spiritual works of mercy.
Among them, “Admonishing the sinner.”
If everyone follows your logic, then no one would be admonishing anybody, since nobody is perfect.
Is this what you intend?
Or perhaps you’re thinking that “I’m doing sin A, so I can’t admonish anybody not do do sin A.” But then, a murderer could not tell others not to murder. etc. So even then it doesn’t make sense…to me, at least.
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Sixtus
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It appears to me that thoughts are not sinful unless they are sacriligious or idolatrous
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paarsurrey
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Since actions generate from beliefs, so one must guard against the wrong beliefs, checking that one’s beliefs are not out of blind faith become idolaterous; one’s beliefs must be alwaus research oriented, reasonable and logical.
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Gerry_Hunter
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“Research oriented, reasonable and logical” beliefs may be fine if one is a Cartesian atheist, but it is not suited to theism. Where is the logical reasonableness in miracles, for example? How does one research the omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent?
Beware the over-reliance on research. Try researching this: All of creation and everything in it was created precisely three seconds ago. It was created in a manner such that by all appearances, and from all available evidence and recollections, it is consistent with having been in existence for many millions of years. Do research that either proves or disproves this assertion.
The formula that demands this (pseudo) scientific approach to beliefs leaves absolutely no role for faith whatsoever, and that is telling.
Blessings,
Gerry
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paarsurrey
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There is a very interesting article expalining reasonableness of the miracles, I am sure you would appreciate it.
alislam.org/library/books/christianity_facts_to_fiction/chapter_1.html#pgfId-1006069
What are Miracles?
With the possibility of virgin birth being wide open, it does not remain to be all that impossible and unnatural. Where is the need to search for a supernatural explanation of Jesus’ birth, or even go beyond that to the farthest extreme of believing in the birth of a literal ‘Son’ of God through a human birth? When all this is observed as a fact of nature, why is it hard to believe that the birth of Jesus Christ was a hidden natural phenomenon, brought about by a special design of God? Something happened in Mary which gave that child a miraculous birth, without a man having touched her. It is the Ahmadiyya Muslim belief that this is exactly what happened. Our case is unshakeable because no scientist can dismiss it as nonsensical or opposed to the known laws of nature.
Miracles are not seen in Islam as unnatural occurrences, but as natural phenomena that are concealed from human knowledge at that period of time. Otherwise, there would be many questions raised against the wisdom of God. If God created the laws of nature Himself, He should have made some provisions whereby without breaking them, He could bring about desired solutions to a problem.
Not all laws are known to man. There are categories of laws working as if in different tiers and on separate plains. Sometimes they are known to man only on one plain and man’s sight is not able to penetrate beyond. As time goes on, man’s knowledge increases, so does the penetration and his capacity to observe such laws as hitherto remained unperceived. In another era of scientific progress, new discoveries throw more light on such laws which seem to work in groups. So, not only is their function better understood but also their interaction with other laws.
Those things that appeared to be miracles in the early ages are no longer considered so. Miracles are so, only in relation to man’s knowledge in a specific period of time. When a special exercise of God’s power is displayed, apparently a law is broken. But it is not so; it is a hidden law that was already there and came into operation through God’s command. The people of that time could not have understood that law nor had they any control over it. For example, the force of magnetism was not known to man a few thousand years ago. If somebody had accidentally discovered it and had contrived a device by which he could levitate things without any apparent cause discernible to the naked eye and to the wonderment of everyone, he could then exclaim, ‘Lo, a miracle, a miracle’. Today, such tricks are considered common place and trivial. The knowledge of man is limited whereas that of God is unlimited. If a law comes into operation that is beyond the scope of man’s knowledge, it looks like a miracle. But looking retrospectively at such instances with the hindsight of knowledge gained since, we can dismiss all such so-called breaches of the laws of nature as merely natural phenomena which were not fully comprehended by the man of that age. This is why I said that there had to be a natural phenomenon responsible for the single parent birth of Jesus Christ, which was unknown to man of that period; it is not fully known to man even today. But science is advancing in that direction and more is being understood. A time may therefore come, when no one will be able to claim that the birth of Jesus was unnatural. They would have to agree that it was a natural but rare occurrence, so rare that it seldom occurs in human experience.
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The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
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dessert
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So would believing in evolution be a sin?
I think it would be because it would be like a relgion.
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I think it would be because it would be like a relgion.
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dessert
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If a person were to like frogs but this in itself is not sin, but lets say that person has everything in their house frogss
I mean everthing , potholders clothes pics and vases and knick nacks suagar bowls salt and pepper and towels and napkins and rugs and plates and curtains and 
an apron with a big frog on it.this is definitely a fetish but is it idolatrous? I know someone who actually does this with Betty Boop everywhere and some one else into apples.
Their mind does seem fixated and some of them wear a rabbit foot?
Well it is too far out for me.
It all seems silly! Dessert
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believers
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YES. You will not go to Heaven believing in evolution. You’re basically saying God’s Word is lie.
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believers
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If you love anything or anyone in this world more than God then it has become an idol.If a person were to like frogs but this in itself is not sin, but lets say that person has everything in their house frogss
this is definitely a fetish but is it idolatrous? I know someone who actually does this with Betty Boop everywhere and some one else into apples.
Their mind does seem fixated and some of them wear a rabbit foot?
Well it is too far out for me.
It all seems silly! Dessert
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Greg27
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Homosexuality in my understanding is a behaviour, not a belief. Of course as a practicing Catholic I can’t condone things like abortion or gay behaviour, but at the same time I believe it is a serious sin to puff oneself up with pretentious self-righteousness and act with hatred towards others, including those different from myself.
Compassion and charity are the norms for me, in any belief, as is the fundamental duty to seek out the truth. If a bishop demanded I suspend any of these things I would have to leave the church as my conscience would demand it. I cannot accept something which to me, is clearly and patently false and contrary to what is true, not on personal pride but because virtue demands I only accept and believe what is true and not what is false.
Compassion and charity are the norms for me, in any belief, as is the fundamental duty to seek out the truth. If a bishop demanded I suspend any of these things I would have to leave the church as my conscience would demand it. I cannot accept something which to me, is clearly and patently false and contrary to what is true, not on personal pride but because virtue demands I only accept and believe what is true and not what is false.
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