Are Calvinists Worshiping a False God?

  • Thread starter Thread starter CampionTheChampion
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
They ARE guilty of heresy.

They have many misconceptions about the One God, but it doesn’t change the fact they believe in the God of Abraham.

They believe false ideas about God.

They do not follow a false god, however.

And VII was pastoral, but everything it wrote is infallible. An Ecumenical Council is the highest degree of Catholic magisterium, it is infallible and extraordinary.
 
Last edited:
JanSobieskiIII said:
Is it though? According to them God is not a trinity, he’s not eternal, he condones lying, etc.
Click to expand...
Are you sure about not being eternal? I know you are right about the lying. But if not believing in the Holy Trinity was sufficient to make it a different God then you’d have to say the Jews worshipped a different God. I’ve seen people try to get around this but I’ve not found the argument convincing.
 
When the Church teaches at an Ecumenical Council it is exercising the extraordinary and infallible Magisterium.

Nostra Aetate is a document of an Ecumenical Council, therefore it is infallible.
 
CampionTheChampion said:
A close friend of mine is a 5 point Calvinist. She’s been very talkative with me as I’m making my way to Rome. Through all the discussions I’ve been having with her, I’m becoming more and more resentful of the god/God she believes in. Sometimes I’ve even thought if the real God were the Calvinist one…I’d want to go to hell as a form of righteous protest. Now obviously, Calvinists don’t feel this way towards God, so maybe I’m missing something…

I’m just wondering if anyone else has felt this about the Calvinist god/God and if anyone thinks the Calvinist understanding of God is so off it would constitute a false god.
Click to expand...
I have.

I think the Scriptures address this:

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Satan has fooled them.

To believe that God would create some for destruction, seems the opposite of a just and loving God. Therefore, they may give their object of worship the same name. But our God is love and theirs is not.
 
jas84173 said:
which modern church follows closest to Calvin?
Click to expand...
That would be an extensive list. Not only because of splintering into so many different denominations (as demonstrated by the many different Presbyterian denominations in a single country) but there are denominations that are considered to have Calvinist and Calvinistic congregations (e.g. Baptists) or parishes (e.g. Anglican) within them.
 
Last edited:
I’m more of the opinion that Muhammad made it up with the help of bahira (an Arian monk) to control the Arabian peninsula by converting the Jews and christians in the area. But still I think even Muslims worship the same God but their worship is imperfect.
 
Last edited:
They worship a Gnostic god. Seriously most of their beliefs on Jesus can be found 400 years earlier in Gnostic gospels.
 
Spyridon said:
They ARE guilty of heresy.

They believe false ideas about God.
Click to expand...
No, one can only be guilty of heresy if one first held to the Truth, then departed willingly and knowingly from it. On the contrary, they espouse heretical beliefs, but many of them do not know it, since they were raised to believe these things.
 
To say that we ignore God’s mercy, when God’s mercy to save sinners is the focus of our religion, is outright slander.
 
Oh, this ought to be good. OK. I’ll bite: How do Calvinists worship a “gnostic” god?
 
You are right that I was not fair. What is more accurate is to so undervalue.
 
To say that we undervalue God’s mercy, when God’s mercy in saving sinners is the focus of our religion is outright slander. Is that what the Catholic Church teaches you to do?
 
The Catholic Church teaches that Calvinist doctrine is wrong. Calvanists teach that Catholic doctrine is wrong. Each agrees that the other is wrong where they disagree. That is only logical.

I’m not sure what official Catholic documents say in regards to Calvinism. The opinion I expressed is my own and I do stand by it based on my understanding of Calvinism.
 
That’s fine. You’re welcome to your opinion. But when your opinion is slanderous, then you need to ask yourself if it’s a valid opinion.

If you think its OK to slander other religions, then I have to wonder what in the world your religion is teaching you.
 
As an ex-calvinist (I converted very recently to the Catholic Faith), I can say they worship the same God, but through the lenses of the heretical teachings of the Westminster Standards/Canons of Dort.
Calvinism is a particular dangerous heresy because they can sound very convincing misquoting Romans 9, Ephesians 2 and some writings of Saint Augustine, building what seens to be a solid argument for their twisted view of predestination.
Once you accept that heretical view, it’s impossible to understand the Bible outside it.
That’s why I praise the Good Lord who had mercy on me and set me free from this horrible heresy and also thanks all my catholic friends who prayed for me.
I also must not forget the role played by the continuous Intercession of the Most Blessed Virgin and all the saints in heaven.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top