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I’ve wondered about this. Does it conflict with any of our beliefs?
No. I think there is a lot to be said on the subject, and how it has helped shape our faith. For example, Saul summoning Samuel. And Abraham wanting to visit his brothers after he died.Does it conflict with any of our beliefs?
“All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to “unveil” the future.48 Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.” -CCC 2116
Remember, though, Saul was in a very dark place when he did this – he had driven all the mediums out of the land under pain of death but was now turning to one to serve his own selfish needs. Samuel is annoyed at Saul for doing so. Passages such as Deuteronomy 18:10 condemn divination, and even that same first book of Samuel implies that divination is an evil practice: “For a sin of divination is rebellion, and arrogance, the crime of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, the LORD in turn has rejected you as king.” (1 Samuel 15:23) Saul knew the will of God, but the whole point is that he kept doing what he wanted instead. While God apparently allowed Samuel to speak to Saul on this occasion, the story is not a license for us to turn to divination at our will.I think there is a lot to be said on the subject, and how it has helped shape our faith. For example, Saul summoning Samuel.
Padre Francesco Napolitano reported that in 1945 Fra’ Pietro, entering his cell at night, saw a young friar sitting on his desk, with the head down like he was meditating. He asked who he was, but he disappeared. Terrorized, he run to Padre Pio. Padre Pio accompanied him back to his cell and said: “That young friar is a poor novice who is serving his purgatory in this cell. But don’t worry he will not bother you again, and you will never see him again.”
At my old church, the current priest mentions that he’s encountered the priest who built that church— and who died back in the 90’s. I don’t know if the other priest is having to spend some of his purgatory at the church, or what— but it’s not my business; I just keep him in my prayers.Padre Pio reported to Padre Anastasio di Roio: “one night I was alone in the choir and I saw a friar cleaning the altar late at night. I asked him to go to bed since it was so late. He said: “I’m a friar like you. I did here my novitiate and when assigned to take care of the Altar, and I passed many times in front of the Tabernacle without making the proper reverence. For this sin I am in Purgatory, and the Lord sent me to you. You decide how much longer I have to suffer in those flames.”
I told him: until the Mass in the morning. He said “Cruel” and disappeared.
I still have a wound in my heart. I could have sent him immediately to Paradise, instead he had to stay one more night in the flames of Purgatory.”
I think Kreeft mentioned ghosts in passing in the Handbook of Catholic Apologetics and said that there are so many accounts of ghosts across so many cultures isolated from one another that (and I might be paraphrasing, but I think this is what he said) “to not believe in them, one would have to be either an idiot or a professor.”Peter Kreeft, a philosophy professor at Boston College, has written, “The dead often do appear to the living. There is enormous evidence of ‘ghosts’ in all cultures.”
Kreeft says that there is “no contradiction” between ghosts and Catholic theology. “Ghosts appear on earth, but do not live on earth any longer,” he says. “They are either in heaven, hell, or purgatory.”
Kreeft recalls the appearance of the dead Samuel to the witch of Endor in 1 Samuel, one of the most famous ghost stories in the Bible. When Samuel appeared, says Kreeft, “he was not on earth, though that’s where he appeared.” Similarly, “the angel of the Lord” that appears frequently in the Old Testament, which some theologians think was the preincarnate Christ, “is not actually on earth, but simply appeared to those that were,” he says.
“Ghosts confirm, rather than refute or disturb, Catholic theology of the afterlife,” says Kreeft. “Especially the very existence of a life after death, which is the main point skeptics dispute.”
One night in 1944 the friars heard loud voices coming from downstairs saying “Viva Padre Pio”. The superior Padre Raffaele da S. Elia a Pianisi told the doorkeeper
Fra Gerardo da Deliceto to let those people out and lock the door properly. Fra Gerardo went downstairs, didn’t find anybody, and the door was double locked as it was supposed to.
He went back to report. Padre Raffaele was puzzled and went straight to Padre Pio asking if he knew something.
“Oh! Those were soldiers who had died on the battleground, and came to thank me for their salvation.”
In 1922 Bishop Alberto Costa asked Padre Pio if he had ever seen a soul in Purgatory. “I have seen so many of them that they don’t scare me anymore.”
A friar testified: We were all in the dining room when Padre Pio got suddenly up and walked at steady pace to the door of the convent. He opened it and started having a conversation.
The two friars that went with him didn’t see anybody and started thinking that something might be wrong with Padre Pio. On the way back to the dining area Padre Pio explained.
“Don’t worry. I was talking to some souls on their way from Purgatory to Paradise. They came to thank me that I remembered them today in the Mass.”
Padre Francesco Napolitano reported what he had heard from Orazio, Padre Pio’s father. Orazio went to spend some few days with hi son in 1926. He was assigned the cell #10. When he tried to enter the cell, two friars stood in front of the door, not letting him in. He explained who he was, to no avail. When he made a step to force himself in, the disappeared. He was terrorized, and went to Padre Pio. “Dad, don’t get agitated, those are two poor friars in Purgatory. They have to serve their Purgatory in the spot were they disobeyed the rule of St. Francis.”