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Razanir
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But are they not still prayers by which you ask for a particular blessing?
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RebeccaJ
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When I pray Our Lord’s Prayer, it is my prayer, my experience, joined with the experience of the One who authored it. There isn’t anything about it that is not my personal experience. Praying is my experience, joined with all the baptized, the communion of saints.
It is a very sacred prayer, and it saddens me to hear it dismissed so easily.
Likewise, scripture is the Word of God, and God speaks to the experience of all. Why do you think the Psalms are sung, as a form of worship and prayer? It is our communion with God, and each other, in many different times , places and cultures. But worshipping God is our shared experience.
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kikkichan
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Janderich,
Whoa, this is one more than I was expecting. Are you saying that God does not have a spirit, or spiritual nature? Or that God does, but uses this ‘spirit’, which is different, to maintain contact with all that is in the universe? Is this actual LDS doctrine?
Can others use this ‘spirit’ to communicate?
Also, you spell Spirit with a capital ‘S’. Why is that?
thanks,
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Whoa, this is one more than I was expecting. Are you saying that God does not have a spirit, or spiritual nature? Or that God does, but uses this ‘spirit’, which is different, to maintain contact with all that is in the universe? Is this actual LDS doctrine?
Can others use this ‘spirit’ to communicate?
Also, you spell Spirit with a capital ‘S’. Why is that?
thanks,
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NeuroTypical
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My three personal experiences on the subject of praying with Catholics:
- Neighborhood cleanup day, and I got the LDS missionaries to come lend a hand. My Catholic neighbor held a BBQ afterwards, and offered a short prayer giving thanks for the food.
- I noted with some small amusement that he closed with a mumbled and blurry “InnNammaJesusChristAmen”, which is something I thought only mormons did.
- For whatever reason, my missionaries didn’t just accept that, and they quickly offered their own quiet prayer before eating. I thought that was rather tacky, and wrote it up to their youthful ignorant zeal.
- I had a big pile (7-9) of my Catholic neighbor’s kids over for lunch one day (the oldest was like 11 or 12). I forget where the parents were, we were helping them out. I asked the kids if they prayed before eating. They told me “Oh yeah, we have a prayer for everything!”, and proceeded to all chant the same prayer, complete with Amens and crossing themselves. I was respectful, and thought it was very cute and touching.
My Catholic neighbors rock. - I come here to CAF and hear about how I pray wrong, to the wrong God, and how various folks refuse to say ‘amen’, one can’t in good conscience, one doesn’t want to acknowledge the Mormon Jesus .
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SteveVH
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If we were praying to the same God I would see no problem. Since we are not, I see a big problem.
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SteveVH
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Are your Catholic neighbors aware of your theology? There are many who think the LDS is just another protestant denomination.My three personal experiences on the subject of praying with Catholics:
- Neighborhood cleanup day, and I got the LDS missionaries to come lend a hand. My Catholic neighbor held a BBQ afterwards, and offered a short prayer giving thanks for the food.
- I noted with some small amusement that he closed with a mumbled and blurry “InnNammaJesusChristAmen”, which is something I thought only mormons did.
- For whatever reason, my missionaries didn’t just accept that, and they quickly offered their own quiet prayer before eating. I thought that was rather tacky, and wrote it up to their youthful ignorant zeal.
I like you guys - you crack me up. So did those two missionaries. I guess it goes both ways sometimes.
- I had a big pile (7-9) of my Catholic neighbor’s kids over for lunch one day (the oldest was like 11 or 12). I forget where the parents were, we were helping them out. I asked the kids if they prayed before eating. They told me “Oh yeah, we have a prayer for everything!”, and proceeded to all chant the same prayer, complete with Amens and crossing themselves. I was respectful, and thought it was very cute and touching.
- I come here to CAF and hear about how I pray wrong, to the wrong God, and how various folks refuse to say ‘amen’, one can’t in good conscience, one doesn’t want to acknowledge the Mormon Jesus .
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RebeccaJ
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Catholic children aren’t going to know the differences about any religion when you ask them if they pray. They’d give the same answer to you regardless of your religion.My three personal experiences on the subject of praying with Catholics:
- Neighborhood cleanup day, and I got the LDS missionaries to come lend a hand. My Catholic neighbor held a BBQ afterwards, and offered a short prayer giving thanks for the food.
- I noted with some small amusement that he closed with a mumbled and blurry “InnNammaJesusChristAmen”, which is something I thought only mormons did.
- For whatever reason, my missionaries didn’t just accept that, and they quickly offered their own quiet prayer before eating. I thought that was rather tacky, and wrote it up to their youthful ignorant zeal.
I like you guys - you crack me up. So did those two missionaries. I guess it goes both ways sometimes.
- I had a big pile (7-9) of my Catholic neighbor’s kids over for lunch one day (the oldest was like 11 or 12). I forget where the parents were, we were helping them out. I asked the kids if they prayed before eating. They told me “Oh yeah, we have a prayer for everything!”, and proceeded to all chant the same prayer, complete with Amens and crossing themselves. I was respectful, and thought it was very cute and touching.
- I come here to CAF and hear about how I pray wrong, to the wrong God, and how various folks refuse to say ‘amen’, one can’t in good conscience, one doesn’t want to acknowledge the Mormon Jesus .
A previous place where I worked was 99.9% LDS (yes, I think it was myself and 2 friends who were not LDS). They always prayed before every business meeting. One of these, they knelt around the conference room table. I was an atheist at the time and had not said prayer one for years, found praying to be a waste of time, but when in Salt Lake City….and getting paid to be in Salt Lake City, I went along. Never said amen. BUT, one day I’m girding up for the kneel-around-the-table-prayer, looking forward for when it will be over, when my boss looks at me says, “Will you give the prayer today?” I thought of all kinds of cuss words, and “hell no’s”, but thought actually saying “no” might ruin my relationship with all the Mormons at work, and so proceeded to give a really good Mormon prayer. Thank you very much. That formula that Mormons teach came in handy. Everyone said “amen”, and we moved on like I was the pro prayer of the group. I rocked it. :dancing:
Sorry it offends you that I can’t bring myself to say “amen” to a Mormon prayer. Just can’t do it, as I’m picturing the God that is being prayed to used to sin and really, I find to be a false God. You should understand, I cannot pray to false God. It’s against my religion. I hope you aren’t of the opinion that I should be untrue to the God who I worship.
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NeuroTypical
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We haven’t really discussed what they believe about Mormons. The Dad has voiced some opinions on Facebook about Mormon leadership that would fit right in here in these threads. The Mom and I have joked back and forth about how I keep sending them missionaries, and how I tried to convert their chickens when they gave us three. We basically are mutually respectful.
Heh! You go Rebecca. I witnessed similar stories firsthand when I lived in Utah - we never knelt though. I always felt protective of the non-LDS folks (heck, the inactive LDS folks for that matter). I was usually buddied up to them. Once when I was inactive and searching, my buddies got me to go to church while we were travelling, and the guy running the meeting asked me to pray, I just pointed to one of my buddies and said “I’m just a guest here, but this good brother is happy to pray”. I can understand your choice. I’m occasionally chastised by LDS folks for my take on “utah Mormons”. Let me just say that if I had been your coworker, and knew you were an atheist, I would have seen about sharing some snark with you afterwords. I am a faithful mormon, but I am not bound to support some of the dumb things some of them do.
I’m not offended in the least. I just don’t find the divide so wide. I said Amen at both the Catholic prayers I mentioned above, and I just don’t think about trinitarian Christianity in terms of having a “false God”.
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RebeccaJ
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Honestly, what Mormonism teaches about God repulsed me to the point I became an atheist. (Sorry.)
But, there are a lot of scenarios in todays world where everyone gets a trophy, for participation. I wasn’t raised in that generation.
I kept my atheists views to myself, are you kidding? In a building full of Mormons, and you want to keep your job, you don’t express your opinions about religion. There were a few LDS, like you, who knew I was not active LDS, and gave me **** for days. Razzing me, all in fun.
When I left that job, I was in RCIA and couldn’t take pretending to go along any longer, and left for a much lower paying job just to get the hell outta there. I’ve been much happier in the position and place I’m at, and am just about back to what I was making while working for the Mormons.
As for “Utah Mormons”, that always cracks me up. Your leaders are “Utah Mormons”, and that is who I worked for, indirectly. Been in meetings with GAs and two occasions with your prophet (Hinckley). I couldn’t be in that environment any longer. It was just too toxic for me, while the LDS who worked there felt like they got paid to be on a mission. LOL.
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NeuroTypical
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I’m afraid you misunderstood me. I wasn’t implying I’d be razzing you, or giving you ****. I was trying to get across that I felt protective of the nonLDS in those situations, sensitive to their difficult position, and would buddy up to them. Not for the purpose of razzing them, but for the purpose of easing the discomfort that anyone would feel in such a situation.
Wait - did you work in a church office building, or as a paid church employee?
One bit of bonding I’ve managed to do with my Catholic neighbor, we’ve both expressed that people employed by our respective churches will often confuse priesthood authority for leadership talent.
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RebeccaJ
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That just makes me feel weirder. I’d rather be razzed because I know it was as ridiculous as it sounds.
For-profit entity.
Mormons lead in business like they do in the ward…by the spirit. Makes it fun figuring out what’s coming next, as decisions are based on what one or a group of people might “feel” at any moment. With the added fun that ethics are fuzzy. Couldn’t pay me enough to go back.
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PJM
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FOR THEN:thumbsup:
With them:nope:
There “god” is NOT our God
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PJM
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For our Mormon friend;
So it’s NOT what the prayer SAY"S; rather that its a “rote-prayer” that makes it “bad?”
What am I missing here?
God Bless you,
Patrick
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PJM
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NO my friend; they are not praying to God; but too their gods.
Praying with them gives a false and BAD example.
God Bless,
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PJM
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Ya BUT=colliric;11459975]That’s why I said don’t let them lead it…
Doing this is a high risk “scandal” for the CC
Pray For them; BUT NOT WITH them:thumbsup:
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VanSensei
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I think it would be fine. Mormons DO believe in our God and have a rudimentary, albeit flawed understanding of the holy trinity. (They do believe in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, but in a different way.)
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SteveVH
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Yes, in a very different way. They completely reject the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, instead believing in three separate divine beings; i.e., three separate gods; polytheism. Therefore they do not believe in our God. They worship a god who was formerly a sinful man and who has a god above him. Sorry, its not even close.
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andrewstx
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To whom would we be praying? To the Christian they would be praying to the almighty omnipotent God who has always existed and will always exist, made by none.
On the other hand the Mormon would be praying to ‘heavenly Father’ who is a glorified human male, who has his own ‘heavenly Father’.
Quite a difference to me.
On the other hand the Mormon would be praying to ‘heavenly Father’ who is a glorified human male, who has his own ‘heavenly Father’.
Quite a difference to me.
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