Are Catholics and non-catholics supposed to leave a Mass When the Music Stops?

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Pup7 said:
It always bums me out when the Recessional is a favorite. I can’t help it. ☺️ I’m like, darn it, I know this one and I like it…lemme sing!
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I hear ya, sister! We have a few of those too, if I am reading you correctly. My congregations love an upbeat Closing Song (and, yes, a song at times that they want to clap along with…please, no response from those who hate clapping in church. We know your opinion already!..LOL!) Pup: I think you know the songs I am talking about: mostly from the Spirit and Song OCP series and some oldies. There are some more traditional style songs they like too.
 
Yes! We use the “Breaking Bread” Missal at the military chapel which I believe is OCP (I’m still learning about the liturgy and Mass settings so bear with me if my terminology is shaky).
 
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Pup7 said:
Yes! We use the “Breaking Bread” Missal at the military chapel which I believe is OCP (I’m still learning about the liturgy and Mass settings so bear with me if my terminology is shaky).
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Yes, Pup, BB is an OCP product. We don’t subscribe to a music issue program, because I like music from a variety of sources. However, BB has some of the contemporary composers in it that Spirit and Song has as well. I noticed it has the Mass of Christ The Savior which we used up to about 2 years ago; and, it has the Mass of Renewal which we use today. Both are excellent IMO. The Memorial “Save Us, Savior” in SAB from Renewal is really beautiful and easy for the guys. The priests like the through composed Glorias which Renewal has, but Savior does not, but easily adaptable to rewriting.

If you like the metrical Psalms (which we do over chant), may I suggest the 2014 GIA “Lyric Psalter” by Marty Haugen and Tony Alonso. They are Revised Grail Lectionary Psalms, and very good.

Take a look at this stuff if you’re still learning. Sharing this info is fun to do.
For this weekend, check out Vine and Branches; it’s in BB. It is one we are doing. Rather an easy tune.
 
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I will!

My favorite version of the Gloria is from the Mass From Age to Age. I love that one. Ever since I stumbled across it on YouTube I hum it all. The. Time. 😂😂 (I can sing very well, but I cannot whistle at all. So I walk around either humming or singing under my breath. Lol.)
 
MonteRCMS said:
The music is nice to have, but is not an essential part of the Mass.
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USCCB Statement:
“The musical tradition of the universal Church is a treasure of inestimable value, greater even than that of any other art. The main reason for this pre-eminence is that, as a combination of sacred music and words, it forms a necessary or integral part of solemn liturgy” (Sacrosanctum Concilium, no. 112). The composition and singing of inspired psalms, often accompanied by musical instruments, were already closely linked to the liturgical celebrations of the Old Covenant. The Church continues and develops this tradition: “Address . . . one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with all your heart.” “He who sings prays twice”

I can quote from other documents as well.
 
BridgetN said:
I would stay after Mass for fifteen minutes for thanksgiving. Especially if you have received the Holy Eucharist.
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Just leave before you get thrown out… You don’t have to go home, but you can’t stay in the church when they are ready to lock up.
 
Pup7 said:
My favorite version of the Gloria is from the Mass From Age to Age.
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We have similar tastes. That Gloria is very nice; just listened to it. Even though in 3/4, it has the same “feel” to me as Mass of Christ the Savior, which is in 4/4. Mass of Renewal has a bit more up beat 3/4 feel, but the people do like it. In conversation one day with OCP, they said that the M of CS was their biggest seller, followed by MR, for what it’s worth.
 
You don’t have to leave when the music stops. You can remain in the pew and pray.
 
You can have a Mass without music.

However, the music does not give you a Mass.
 
MonteRCMS said:
You can have a Mass without music.

However, the music does not give you a Mass.
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Oh, absolutely. Why you stating that? What is your point?

Your post about this was, “The music is nice to have, but is not an essential part of the Mass.” I gave you the USCCB’s statement that it is.

With all due respect, this latest post is vague. It’s just a statement of something we all really know. Seriously, I do not know what you are trying to prove now.
 
rondirect said:
Oh, absolutely. Why you stating that? What is your point?

Your post about this was, “The music is nice to have, but is not an essential part of the Mass.” I gave you the USCCB’s statement that it is.

With all due respect, this latest post is vague. It’s just a statement of something we all really know. Seriously, I do not know what you are trying to prove now.
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So you are saying that you can’t have a Mass without music.
 
Pup7 said:
I will!
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Good Day my friend. Like sharing things like this. I know you said you will look at what I suggested; e.g. “Vine and Branches” for this weekend (if not too late) and the Psalms.

Got another one that we rehearsed last night: Check out a song that I think you would really like for Ascension that is also in BB: “One Sacrifice of Christ.” It is specifically for Ascension, but am sure it’ll work for other Masses with the same theme. It is really nice taken at around meter 70. Check 'er out.
 
Right, but luckily where I go to Mass the chapel is open all day long. 🙂
 
rondirect said:
Hawk, to recess during the final chorus of a Closing Song is still the process of recessing.
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Again, the divide.

The labels themselves (“Recessional” / “Closing song”) show the divide. Neither is part of the Mass; the recessional exists for the recessing. Suggesting that recession should be at its end gives it a different divide.
rondirect said:
’ve said it so many times before, the MM of the church is one of the hardest working and dedicated lay ministries,
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How hard they do or do not work has nothing to do with their role in the mass. To the extent that there is an expectation to accommodate their role or performance as something in itself, there is a serious problem that needs fixing.

Frankly, I’ve been to far more RC Masses where the music was a net loss than a net gain.

hawk
 
dochawk said:
Hawk, to recess during the final chorus of a Closing Song is still the process of recessing.

Again, the divide.

The labels themselves (“Recessional” / “Closing song”) show the divide. Neither is part of the Mass; the recessional exists for the recessing. Suggesting that recession should be at its end gives it a different divide.

rondirect:

’ve said it so many times before, the MM of the church is one of the hardest working and dedicated lay ministries,

How hard they do or do not work has nothing to do with their role in the mass. To the extent that there is an expectation to accommodate their role or performance as something in itself, there is a serious problem that needs fixing.

Frankly, I’ve been to far more RC Masses where the music was a net loss than a net gain.
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Hawk, with all due respect, you are taking snippets of my post and responding, not taking into consideration my explanation. To be honest, I really do not know what you mean anymore by “divide.” I thought I did, but now am not sure. But, that’s OK; really.

You say, “How hard they do or do not work has nothing to do with their role in the Mass.” Of course it does. You actually eluded to this yourself by stating that “Frankly, I’ve been to far more RC Masses where the music was a net loss than a net gain.” Without hard work, you get a net loss; with hard work, you get net gain. This crosses many boundaries of life including this subject. Frankly, there really is no hard sell here for your expectation to accommodate any ministry’s role at Mass. There is no serious problem here. You are who you are, and accept that.
 
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Anything that gives glory to God is a blessing.
Music enhances the Mass.
 
rondirect said:
Hawk, with all due respect, you are taking snippets of my post and responding, not taking into consideration my explanation. To be honest, I really do not know what you mean anymore by “divide.” I thought I did, but now am not sure. But, that’s OK; really.
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It’s not that I’m not taking it into consideration; I’m saying that the gap between our perspectives (the divide) is so great that we don’t see the same event the same way.
rondirect said:
You say, “How hard they do or do not work has nothing to do with their role in the Mass.” Of course it does. You actually eluded to this yourself by stating that “Frankly, I’ve been to far more RC Masses where the music was a net loss than a net gain.” Without hard work, you get a net loss; with hard work, you get net gain.
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This is the type of thing I mean.

Being successful at what they are trying to do does not make the thing itself beneficial.

The music is to complement and enhance the Mass.

As too often practiced, it instead detracts and distracts, and undercuts reverence that would otherwise be present.
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hawk
 
dochawk said:
As too often practiced, it instead detracts and distracts, and undercuts reverence that would otherwise be present.
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Hawk, the job of a good director of music is to always have the Mass and the the people we serve in mind. I’ve been at it part time, 3 masses now per weekend, same church, for 35 years. If my musicians, including singers, ever were a distraction to the Mass, I’d me long gone.

Hawk, I believe that your viewpoint is not necessarily shared by many…not necessarily here, but outside of here as well. Sure there are some divas and choirs that dominate, but pastors must have the guts to face it and stop it or fire them. However, all this is in the eyes and ears of the beholder. What you see and hear as being distracting, others will see it is rather beneficial and supportive. Some will see it your way, others will not. To be honest, it’s rather insulting to me who plays by the rules to hear someone say, "“How hard they do or do not work has nothing to do with their role in the Mass.” I consider myself to be very good at what I do (hate self-praise, but excuse me please in order to prove my point), and I and my choirs are there to complement and enhance the Mass at all times. If one instrument or one voice is out of line, they know it immediately before the song ends.

I try, but just like you and whatever you do for the church or your job, you know all to well that you cannot please 100% of the people 100% of the time. I try to get as close to that as possible though.
 
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