Are certain world leaders actually atheists?

[Anobsitar]

Wide regard of a politic

The US under Donald Trump and Russia under Vladimir Putin undoubtedly support the Nazis in Germany. Vladimir Putin also supports left-wing extremists. What they have in common is that no one should support Ukraine in its fight for freedom against Russia.

The US under Donald Trump and Russia under Vladimir Putin undoubtedly support the Nazis in Germany. Vladimir Putin also supports left-wing extremists. What they have in common is that no one should support the Ukrainians in their fight for freedom against Russia.

It wasn't very long ago that the FBI was investigating the Catholic church as "right wing extremist"

The police "FBI" did do what? Whom did they arrrest on what exact reason?

You need to provide specific examples of speeches or deeds that expose them as atheist.

No. I don't believe liars, regardless of the content of their lies.

Putin is a hard sell there since he appears to be practicing Russian Orthodox.

In practical terms, Putin is the head of all clergy in the Russian Orthodox Church. He can dismiss and appoint whomever he wants in his personal state church. Both he and his patriarch were members of the KGB.

Trump just gave a speech about the immaculate conception.

What did Trump do? Did he speak to Mr. Epstein in this context, and is that the reason why some things are secret?

It looks very much like he shares a great deal with Catholics across the country.

You are weird.

Neither appears to be Atheist.

Eh?

 

[HomeschoolDad]

The US under Donald Trump and Russia under Vladimir Putin undoubtedly support the Nazis in Germany. Vladimir Putin also supports left-wing extremists. What they have in common is that no one should support the Ukrainians in their fight for freedom against Russia.

There are no more Nazis in Germany, at least outside of small fringe groups. It is illegal in Germany even so much as to display Nazi symbols. Holocaust denial is likewise illegal.

The police "FBI" did do what? Whom did they arrrest on what exact reason?

https://judiciary.house.gov/media/p...nufactured-false-narrative-catholic-americans

Granted, no one was arrested.

What did Trump do?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...ge-on-the-feast-of-the-immaculate-conception/

You are weird.

Let's not descend into personal attacks that more resemble children's playground taunts than anything else.

 

[vz71]

No. I don't believe liars, regardless of the content of their lies.

This would put you in a difficult position then.
The only practical way to prove someone to be an atheist is to find a speech or writing of theirs that specifically announces their atheism.

If it is the case that you do not believe liars, and you are implying that you consider both Putin and Trump to be liars, then you have no means of actually proving the case.

Meanwhile, the opposite side of the case merely has to look at their actions as indicative of belief in God.

 

[vz71]

What did Trump do? Did he speak to Mr. Epstein in this context, and is that the reason why some things are secret?

My TDS bingo card is almost completely filled in.
Keep going.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

This would put you in a difficult position then.
The only practical way to prove someone to be an atheist is to find a speech or writing of theirs that specifically announces their atheism.

Arguendo, they could also be lying about being atheists.

Just saying.

 

[Anobsitar]

Arguendo, they could also be lying about being atheists.

Just saying.

Sorry - but do you take yourselve serios, US-Russian? Give me a reason why a Catholic should speak with a criminal like Donald Trump.

 

[Anobsitar]

There are no more Nazis in Germany ...

Why are you saying such absurd nonsense? No German would agree with that. Donald Trump – as well as Elon Musk, Vladimir Putin, and many others – undoubtedly support Nazis in Germany and want them to come to political power. And there is also no doubt that Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and Vladimir Putin are atheists. I'm afraid you are drastically underestimating something that no one should ignore.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

Why are you saying such absurd nonsense? No German would agree with that. Donald Trump – as well as Elon Musk, Vladimir Putin, and many others – undoubtedly support Nazis in Germany and want them to come to political power. And there is also no doubt that Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and Vladimir Putin are atheists. I'm afraid you are drastically underestimating something that no one should ignore.

If it is so important to you, to think that Trump or Putin are atheists (as opposed merely to being sinners), go ahead and think that. They either are or they are not, and they profess to be believers.

I've never heard Elon Musk say anything at all about religion. He could be an atheist, or he could not be.

 

[vz71]

Give me a reason why a Catholic should speak with a criminal like Donald Trump.

If you intend to show him to be atheist, you are going to have to use his words.

Have you given up on that?

Donald Trump – as well as Elon Musk, Vladimir Putin, and many others – undoubtedly support Nazis in Germany and want them to come to political power.

I have seen no evidence for this.
And even if it were so, it is simply a red herring. You claim atheism on Trump's part. Show it.

And there is also no doubt that Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and Vladimir Putin are atheists.

Yes there is. I have it. Plenty of doubt. I am sure others agree.

You have made the claim that Trump is atheist. Prove it.

 

[vz71]

“I stand before you in this arena only by the grace of Almighty God,”
- Trump, during his speech at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee

"I was saved by God to make America great again.”
- Trump, during his inaugural speech.

“And I want to just thank everybody, and in particular, God,...I want to just say we love you, God, and we love our great military. Protect them...God bless the Middle East, God bless Israel and God bless America,”
- Trump, speech in the middle East concerning his peace deal in the middle East.

Sounds a great deal like Trump very strongly believes in God.

 

[Anobsitar]

If it is so important to you, to think that Trump or Putin are atheists

What I think is totally unimportant. They are atheists.

(as opposed merely to being sinners), go ahead and think that. They either are or they are not, and they profess to be believers.

I've never heard Elon Musk say anything at all about religion.

He's a Nazi. All leading Nazis had been atheists and racists (="darwinists")

He could be an atheist, or he could not be.

 

[Anobsitar]

If you intend to show him to be ...

Why should a Catholic speak with Donald Trump? About what?

 

[Anobsitar]

“I stand before you in this arena only by the grace of Almighty God,”
- Trump, during his speech at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee

I never understood why this lying machine was given more than one vote. Donald Trump, for example, claimed most of his life that he had Swedish ancestors. However, he never had Swedish ancestors.

"I was saved by God to make America great again.”
- Trump, during his inaugural speech.

Do you also believe that Hitler was saved much more often than Donald Trump because God wanted to “make Germany great again” after World War I? Or do more or less everyone believe that Hitler was so “lucky” in his life because he had made a pact with the devil?

“And I want to just thank everybody, and in particular, God,...I want to just say we love you, God, and we love our great military. Protect them...God bless the Middle East, God bless Israel and God bless America,”
- Trump, speech in the middle East concerning his peace deal in the middle East.

Sounds a great deal like Trump very strongly believes in God.

What he says here sounds exactly as if Donald Trump doesn't have the faintest idea about God.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

I am closing this thread. Our commentator maintains that Trump and Putin are atheists, and I'm not sure any evidence to the contrary, no matter how compelling, could convince him otherwise. Any further discussion is just a waste of his time and ours.