Are Christians the New Jews?

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Christianity is the fulfilment of the Jewish faith and God’s covenants with them. Salvation does indeed come from and through the Jewish people.
 
Christianity is the fulfilment of the Jewish faith and God’s covenants with them. Salvation does indeed come from and through the Jewish people.
The article doesn’t refer to Christians as the “New Jews” from a religious belief point of view, but rather from a comparative view of Christians in society and being persecuted today in a way similar to that of Jews.
 
The author of the article:

patheos.com/Jewish/Christians-New-Jews-Yitzchok-Adlerstein-02-21-2013

an Orthodox Rabbi, posits that today Christians around the world are being persecuted in the same way and for many of the same reasons that Jews have been persecuted throughout the centuries.
It’s not true that Israel is the only Mid-Eastern countries where Christians enjoy full freedom and their number is increasing. Lebanon too is witnessing the same thing.
 
Also, Jews are not the only people persecuted throught history for their religion. Shia Muslims too experience the same thing, and are still are.
 
There are many stories about persecution of Iraqi Christians. I am met quite a few refugees who fled persecution and now campaign for the rights of Iraqi Christians

It seems like freedom for the Iraqi people has brought massive persecution for the minority Iraqi Christians.
 
Did anyone scroll all the way down to the bottom?

This Rabbi seems to be fun, and pretty cool:

“Yitzchok Adlerstein is an Orthodox rabbi who directs interfaith affairs for the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and chairs Jewish Law at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. He is hopelessly addicted to the serious study of Torah texts.”

:rotfl:
 
The author of the article:

patheos.com/Jewish/Christians-New-Jews-Yitzchok-Adlerstein-02-21-2013

an Orthodox Rabbi, posits that today Christians around the world are being persecuted in the same way and for many of the same reasons that Jews have been persecuted throughout the centuries.
Chosen,

I don’t think so. My experience with Jews and Christians as a culture is radically different insofar as Jews recall their bondage routinely in their lives that would include recollection of the Nazi’s and the Passover…seder…the history of bondage and slavery is very much a part of Judaism and that is not part of the culture of Christianity…

we know we suffer however rather than look at bondage…we believe that we have been liberated from the real bondage, the bondage of sin and Paul tells us we will suffer…the real bondage, the real enslavement was sin, having been freed from sin, we accept that we will suffer in this world…but so what…as Paul says here…
Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36Just as it is written,
“FOR YOUR SAKE WE ARE BEING PUT TO DEATH ALL DAY LONG;
WE WERE CONSIDERED AS SHEEP TO BE SLAUGHTERED.”
37But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
This is a much different paradigm insofar as we do not wait for liberation as the Jews do…we are liberated…
 
Nope

We are the wild branch grafted onto the fig tree. The Jews are still the original branchs of the fig tree.

No one replaces the Jews ( and I speak of torah jews,) They are still covered under the Blood covenant between Abraham and God Himself .

Just as we, Christians, are the Bride of Christ, The Bridegroom , with Whom we all shall sit down with in the Supper of the Lamb on great day in heaven, the Jewish people are the wife of God. There are many references to this marriage in the old testament. God would not get a divorce.

you see, events are not done and God still has a plan for them.

Replacement doctrine is a lie.
 
Nope

We are the wild branch grafted onto the fig tree. The Jews are still the original branchs of the fig tree.

No one replaces the Jews ( and I speak of torah jews,) They are still covered under the Blood covenant between Abraham and God Himself .

Just as we, Christians, are the Bride of Christ, The Bridegroom , with Whom we all shall sit down with in the Supper of the Lamb on great day in heaven, the Jewish people are the wife of God. There are many references to this marriage in the old testament. God would not get a divorce.

you see, events are not done and God still has a plan for them.

Replacement doctrine is a lie.
Doximen,

Explain How God has a wife and a bride?

Are you suggesting that as I have wrongly heard “God is married to Israel” to support the notion of the dirt we call Israel as the Israel of God?

Replacement theology, supersession, a Protestant Doctrine you say is a lie. Praise the Lord…you have discovered your first Protestant lie. There are others.
 
Doximen,

Explain How God has a wife and a bride?

Are you suggesting that as I have wrongly heard “God is married to Israel” to support the notion of the dirt we call Israel as the Israel of God?

Replacement theology, supersession, a Protestant Doctrine you say is a lie. Praise the Lord…you have discovered your first Protestant lie. There are others.
it says what it says in the Old testament.

God the Father has as His wife the Hebrew people. Jesus-the Son- has Christians as His Bride- He would not lose one of us as we were given to Him by His Father.

And yes, the land you call dirt does belongs to the jews. God gave it to them. It doesn’t matter if a paticular people or group or world organization doesn’t like that idea. A Blood Covenant is forever. God said so.

If God lied then, why would we think of another Blood covenant made by Christ at the Last Supper is unbreakable?

We never replaced the Jews. But we are so incredibly blessed by God to have been given the opportunity to come to His Son and be saved.

There are some jews who have made this decision. Some reject it. Some have not been given enough insight to understand. And some have been blinded to this absolute fact until they scales are come off their eyes and fulfill a purpose set by God.

I take it you disagree with me. Fine. We shall ask God one day and find out who is right.
 
it says what it says in the Old testament.

God the Father has as His wife the Hebrew people. Jesus-the Son- has Christians as His Bride- He would not lose one of us as we were given to Him by His Father.

And yes, the land you call dirt does belongs to the jews. God gave it to them. It doesn’t matter if a paticular people or group or world organization doesn’t like that idea. A Blood Covenant is forever. God said so.

If God lied then, why would we think of another Blood covenant made by Christ at the Last Supper is unbreakable?

We never replaced the Jews. But we are so incredibly blessed by God to have been given the opportunity to come to His Son and be saved.

There are some jews who have made this decision. Some reject it. Some have not been given enough insight to understand. And some have been blinded to this absolute fact until they scales are come off their eyes and fulfill a purpose set by God.

I take it you disagree with me. Fine. We shall ask God one day and find out who is right.
Doxie,

Then we shall wait someday for you to ask God if you are truly saved.🙂
 
Sweet. Pray tell you are there to hear the answer.

Lordy, Lordy, why are some folks just plain mean? Does it please you God ?
Doxie,

God has a wife that is different than His bride…:hypno:
 
Doxie,

God has a wife that is different than His bride…:hypno:
Ok, one more time

God the Father has as His wife the Jewish people: this is refered to in the Old testament

Jesus the Son , is the Bridegroom and we-the church- are the Bride. This is refered to in the New testament.

God has plans for the jews that have yet to be fulfilled. That too is in Scripture.

Replacement theology is wrong. Period.The jews have not been replaced as God’s Chosen people.

I do not want to trade barbs with you. It is not my style. Should you chose to think i am off my rocker about this, that is fine. No sin here involved. And everything, IMHO, comes down to “is this a sin?”

I am here to read others thoughts and give my humble, sometimes not too deep thoughts. Yours were…let me say it this way…interesting. Thank you for at least reading my posts, though they were rejected.

i know little about Coptic Chrsitianity and perhaps this is why we are butting heads.
 
Ok, one more time

God the Father has as His wife the Jewish people: this is refered to in the Old testament

Jesus the Son , is the Bridegroom and we-the church- are the Bride. This is refered to in the New testament.

God has plans for the jews that have yet to be fulfilled. That too is in Scripture.

Replacement theology is wrong. Period.The jews have not been replaced as God’s Chosen people.

I do not want to trade barbs with you. It is not my style. Should you chose to think i am off my rocker about this, that is fine. No sin here involved. And everything, IMHO, comes down to “is this a sin?”

I am here to read others thoughts and give my humble, sometimes not too deep thoughts. Yours were…let me say it this way…interesting. Thank you for at least reading my posts, though they were rejected.

i know little about Coptic Chrsitianity and perhaps this is why we are butting heads.
Doxi,

So there is a God of the Old Testament and a God of the New Testament. This has been discussed before…

There is nothing new under the Sun…

Christianity is Catholic whether it be Coptic, Syrian, Greek or any other…this is what you should know…
 
Ok, one more time

God the Father has as His wife the Jewish people: this is refered to in the Old testament

Jesus the Son , is the Bridegroom and we-the church- are the Bride. This is refered to in the New testament.

God has plans for the jews that have yet to be fulfilled. That too is in Scripture.

Replacement theology is wrong. Period.The jews have not been replaced as God’s Chosen people.

I do not want to trade barbs with you. It is not my style. Should you chose to think i am off my rocker about this, that is fine. No sin here involved. And everything, IMHO, comes down to “is this a sin?”

I am here to read others thoughts and give my humble, sometimes not too deep thoughts. Yours were…let me say it this way…interesting. Thank you for at least reading my posts, though they were rejected.

i know little about Coptic Chrsitianity and perhaps this is why we are butting heads.
I like your thoughts 🙂

I liked your previous post even better were you explained why both, Jews and Christians, have an everlasting relationship with G-d.

One question though, out of curiousity 🙂 You write that “God has plans for the jews that have yet to be fulfilled” how does this match to your other thought that the Jews are the married ones while the Christians weren’t married yet, so to speak. Wouldn’t they, as the bride, consequently, have to be the ones to yet be fullfilled?
 
Doxi,

So there is a God of the Old Testament and a God of the New Testament. This has been discussed before…

There is nothing new under the Sun…

Christianity is Catholic whether it be Coptic, Syrian, Greek or any other…this is what you should know…
Now you are being rather silly and you are smart enough to know that there is only one God. And that I was not saying that there are 2 Gods.

I assumed you understood the TRUTH of the Holy Trinity

So far i have not read anything you wrote to change my line of thought. perhaps if you were able to give me something more solid, something serious then I will entertain answering you agian.

Yours in Christ, Dox
 
Now you are being rather silly and you are smart enough to know that there is only one God. And that I was not saying that there are 2 Gods.

I assumed you understood the TRUTH of the Holy Trinity

So far i have not read anything you wrote to change my line of thought. perhaps if you were able to give me something more solid, something serious then I will entertain answering you agian.

Yours in Christ, Dox
Doxie,

Can you have a wife and a bride?
 
I like your thoughts 🙂

I liked your previous post even better were you explained why both, Jews and Christians, have an everlasting relationship with G-d.

One question though, out of curiousity 🙂 You write that “God has plans for the jews that have yet to be fulfilled” how does this match to your other thought that the Jews are the married ones while the Christians weren’t married yet, so to speak. Wouldn’t they, as the bride, consequently, have to be the ones to yet be fullfilled?
Well thank you for asking me and I will try my best to answer as well as i can.

First let me talk about the Bride: We were given our mission by Jesus to go forth into the world and preach the Good news. It is being done. Believers know just Who their messiah , their Savior, is.

The Bride( christians, past, present, and those who will be before this event happens) is like a bride dressed in her beautiful white gown waiting for the sacrament of marriage to be completed. She knows who the bridegroom is and they love one another.

So when the Marriage Supper of the lamb takes place in heaven, then the Bride is joined together with the Bridegroom . Jesus said he would not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the proper day comes and this will be that day. So , in this sense, you are correct, our fate is not complete. We have yet for this to happen and , as one more thing,many of us will be part of the governance when Jesus rules on earth as King.

But since God has already joined himself to the jews under the Abrahamic Covenant- a blood covenant- liken unto when a man first is intimate with his wife and her blood is shed- she will always belong to him.

You have to put aside the secular jews, the messianic jews, and consider what are refered to as torah jews. According to Scripture, there will be 144,000 Jewish men (12 x 12,000) who will be sealed by God during the tims called Tribulation. They will be sought and Anti-christ will try to wipe out all jews, but these will be supernaturely protected by god. A rather sci-fi idea, i know, but I am talking God here. These are the men- assuming their womean and children also- whose eyes have had scales that blinded them, their ears have been closed up, and kept for this day. Their eyes and ears will be opened and see their messiah-Jesus-pierced- and mourn for Him as a brother.

Their mission will be to preach to all who are living though this time of living hell on earth. They , after all, are still the Chosen people, who will bring the Word to the world. Not just as moses brought the law to the hebrews, but the World of God to all the world. They are the Chosen People, and God gave them this task and God never changes. it is still their birth-right.

until the time when the earth is purged by fire and we shall have Eden again, this is still to be their task- preaching the Word. becasue sthere will still be people with rebellion against Jesus in their hearts. That is how much God loves His spouse, this people set apart. How important they are.

They have not been replaced by Christians…

This is what issiah speaks of and what paul spoke of and what john spoke of the things to come in Revelation. And other bibical prophets.

There are honest sincere Christians who have been taught that the jews are cast aside and that all these things have either been accomplished or will be accomplished by Christians. catholics esp. believe it is only catholics and it is all about rome and not about jerusalem. They, as i see it, are just wrong. being wrong is not a sin, it simply means you are wrong.
 
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