Are condoms allowed to fight HIV?

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I won’t lay out the whould story again but this is another idea my pastor planted into the minds of my youth group. When I declared that certain acts are always immoral, he used this as an example that the church isn’t sure about everything yet. Can someone who knows more on this issue help?
 
Why do celibate young people need condoms? Fornication is always wrong.
 
What if you are in love with someone who has had a questionable past?

If you are in a monogamous relationship and want to have sex, does it mean that it is better for the spouse to have HIV than use a condom?
 
👋 Welcome to the forums!

The short answer to your question is no, condoms are never allowed. Abstinence is the solution.

Maybe these will help (sorry to bombard you with links here 😃 ):

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=166136&highlight=hiv+condoms

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=116187&highlight=hiv+condoms

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=55878&highlight=hiv+condoms

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=8609&highlight=hiv+condoms

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=8735&highlight=hiv+condoms

Some of the above links don’t specifically address HIV, but they do encompass various other STDs.
 
Urf said:
What if you are in love with someone who has had a questionable past?

If you are in a monogamous relationship and want to have sex, does it mean that it is better for the spouse to have HIV than use a condom?
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If the past is so questionable could you not love the person without it being expressed genitally?
 
Thank you for the links. I suppose I should have search for the topic before posting my questions. They’re very helpful responses.
 
JuicetheBaptist said:
Thank you for the links. I suppose I should have search for the topic before posting my questions. They’re very helpful responses.
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Hey, no problem! Glad we could help. Being new to the forums gives you a pretty good excuse, I think, for posting before searching. 😉
 
ack said:
Jimmy Akin wrote about this last year:

jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2006/05/condoms_hivaids.html

Read Jimmy’s article before you comment – the issue is not as clearcut as it may first appear, which is why some cardinals disagree on the subject…
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I **didn’t **see anything in this article that stated it was OK for high school students in youth group to have sex outside of marriage and use condoms. I saw married couples, HIV, limited circumstances to prevent infection.
 
OutinChgoburbs said:
I **didn’t **see anything in this article that stated it was OK for high school students in youth group to have sex outside of marriage and use condoms. I saw married couples, HIV, limited circumstances to prevent infection.
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I’m sorry, I should clarify that my pastor was talking about married couples using condoms (not the youth group members).
 
JuicetheBaptist said:
Are condoms allowed to fight HIV?
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Under certain conditions, yes.

For example, if a crazed attacker was trying to stab you with a dirty needle infected with HIV, and all you had to defend yourself was a crate of condoms, it would be morally permissible to use it to block his attack, possibly breaking the needle, or to throw it at him before fleeing.

I think it highly unlikely though, for anyone to find himself in such an unusual set of circumstances.
 
IF one is already sinning by fornication, then using condoms while fornicating doesn’t make the sin any worse, in my opinion. Better to wait until you’re married, but if you’re going to sin, be safe while you’re sinning.
 
Yerusalyim said:
IF one is already sinning by fornication, then using condoms while fornicating doesn’t make the sin any worse, in my opinion. Better to wait until you’re married, but if you’re going to sin, be safe while you’re sinning.
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That’s like saying it’s better not to play russian roulette, but if you’re going to play it anyway, be safe while you’re playing. Use dependable, high-quality bullets. Don’t use cheap bullets that might blow up in the chamber.

Why do you think that committing two serious sins is not worse than committing only one of those sins?
 
Yerusalyim said:
IF one is already sinning by fornication, then using condoms while fornicating doesn’t make the sin any worse, in my opinion. Better to wait until you’re married, but if you’re going to sin, be safe while you’re sinning.
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Kinda defeats the purpose of the Great Comission which requires Christians to admonish sin?
 
You people simply amaze me…DON’T commit fornication or adultery (I agree with that) but if you do…DO NOT WEAR A CONDOM or it’s worse…instead, bring home an STD to your spouse or give one to the person you’re fornicating with. Sheesh! No, don’t commit the sin, but if you DO commit the sin, cover up. You’ve already commited a GRAVE SIN, so why worry about the whole condom issue?

Yes, I agree, fornication and adultery is WRONG a GRAVE SIN, but if one commits that sin, USE A FLIPPING CONDOM.

It’s like saying…DON’T DRAG RACE, but if you do, WEAR A SEAT BELT AND HELMET.
 
Juice, again (as in the other thread) I urge you to take your concerns to the rector of your seminary, your spiritual director and if necessary, to your bishop. No one in formation should be facing such outrageous claims. Prayers for you.
 
Yerusalyim said:
…It’s like saying…DON’T DRAG RACE, but if you do, WEAR A SEAT BELT AND HELMET.
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No, it’s more like saying DON’T COMMIT MURDER, but if you do, MAKE SURE YOU DON’T LEAVE ANY WITNESSES ALIVE TO TESTIFY AGAINST YOU.

Or to generalize: don’t sin, but if you do sin, make sure you commit a whole bunch of sins in order to avoid the consequences of the first sin. The Church does not teach this.
 
Yerusalyim said:
You people simply amaze me…DON’T commit fornication or adultery (I agree with that) but if you do…DO NOT WEAR A CONDOM or it’s worse…instead, bring home an STD to your spouse or give one to the person you’re fornicating with. Sheesh! No, don’t commit the sin, but if you DO commit the sin, cover up. You’ve already commited a GRAVE SIN, so why worry about the whole condom issue?

Yes, I agree, fornication and adultery is WRONG a GRAVE SIN, but if one commits that sin, USE A FLIPPING CONDOM.

It’s like saying…DON’T DRAG RACE, but if you do, WEAR A SEAT BELT AND HELMET.
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Jesus didn’t tell the adulterous woman, “Go and sin no more,but if you do, be sure to protect yourself”.

We are talking about using the condoms in the context of within a marriage bond where one partner already has the virus and most likely is no longer engaging in extramarital affairs. This is still up for debate and IMHO will be impossible to allow, but we’ll see what the Church says, if anything.

What you are suggesting is that people who continue to engage in extramarital affairs or premarital relations be allowed to use condoms in order to protect others.

That is something else entirely and is thankfully not related to any teachings I know of in the Church. We call sin like it is and tell people so, to do otherwise is not charitable.
 
JuicetheBaptist said:
I’m sorry, I should clarify that my pastor was talking about married couples using condoms.
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If I knew my spouse had a potentially deadly disease, I would hope he would do whatever it takes to keep from giving it to me.

How is it sacrificial love to say, “I love you enough to protect you some, but not completely. My sexual desire comes before your health.” --KCT
 
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