Are conversions into Zorastrianism allowed?.If not why?.

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I’ve heard once that conversions into Zorastriantism are’nt allowed for some reason.Iss this true?.If so why are’nt they?.
 
sidetrack said:
I’ve heard once that conversions into Zorastriantism are’nt allowed for some reason.Iss this true?.If so why are’nt they?.
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Zoroastrians appear to believe that only those of pure bloodlines can belong to their religion.

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
Zoroastrians appear to believe that only those of pure bloodlines can belong to their religion.

Edwin
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I did a college paper on Zoroastrianism, and I didn’t know that.

Lots of stuff falls into that category.

GKC
 
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I did a college paper on Zoroastrianism, and I didn’t know that.

Lots of stuff falls into that category.

GKC
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For reference, see this page:
Marrying, Zarathushtri man or woman, to a Zarathushtri only is commanded in our religion in the Vendidad, to preserve the spiritual strength of the Aryan Mazdayasni religion, and the ethnic identity of the Zarathushtri Aryans. For the Zarathushtri, ethnic identity and religion are synonymous, as declared in the Vendidad by Ahura Mazda Himself - the Mazdayasni faith was revealed by Ahura to the Aryans under King Jamshed, thousands of years before Zarathushtra, and was meant only for the Aryans of Iran.
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However, I note that these folks seem to belong to a self-consciously traditionalist group and speak of “liberal lists,” so it may be that they speak for only a minority of contemporary Zoroastrians.

This website describes a conflict between “liberal” and “conservative” Zoroastrians over the question of conversion, and says that this is the major controversy within Zoroastrianism today.

So the question is more complex than I initially indicated.

Final update (and then I’ll quite editing this post): the home page of “pyracantha” (the author to whom I linked two paragraphs above) refers to the “Traditional Zoroastrian” website as “rants from the far right.”

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
For reference, see this page:

However, I note that these folks seem to belong to a self-consciously traditionalist group and speak of “liberal lists,” so it may be that they speak for only a minority of contemporary Zoroastrians.

This website describes a conflict between “liberal” and “conservative” Zoroastrians over the question of conversion, and says that this is the major controversy within Zoroastrianism today.

So the question is more complex than I initially indicated.

Edwin
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I’ve read that the Zoroastrians in India are the ones who are more self-consciously rejecting of intermarriage; whereas those in Persia, do not reject it.
 
Contarini said:
For reference, see this page:

However, I note that these folks seem to belong to a self-consciously traditionalist group and speak of “liberal lists,” so it may be that they speak for only a minority of contemporary Zoroastrians.

This website describes a conflict between “liberal” and “conservative” Zoroastrians over the question of conversion, and says that this is the major controversy within Zoroastrianism today.

So the question is more complex than I initially indicated.

Final update (and then I’ll quite editing this post): the home page of “pyracantha” (the author to whom I linked two paragraphs above) refers to the “Traditional Zoroastrian” website as “rants from the far right.”

Edwin
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Ah. I see. Zoroastrianism = Anglicanism.

GKC
 
Ahimsa said:
I’ve read that the Zoroastrians in India are the ones who are more self-consciously rejecting of intermarriage; whereas those in Persia, do not reject it.
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That’s make perfect sense, considering the Parsees (the Zoroastrians in India) came from Persia about a thousand years ago and want to maintain their ethnic identity. However, I also heard that the Parsees currently have a low birth rate, not a good thing for an ethnoreligious minority.
 
Young_Thinker said:
That’s make perfect sense, considering the Parsees (the Zoroastrians in India) came from Persia about a thousand years ago and want to maintain their ethnic identity. However, I also heard that the Parsees currently have a low birth rate, not a good thing for an ethnoreligious minority.
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IIRC the small size of their community has become rather a problem.
 
I just cannot understand why a christian of any stripe would be interested in converting and for me particularly a catholic christian. Is not Jesus enough for us?
 
Ahimsa said:
I’ve read that the Zoroastrians in India are the ones who are more self-consciously rejecting of intermarriage; whereas those in Persia, do not reject it.
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And since conversion away from Islam is a crime in Iran, it would be kind of a moot point.
 
BigDave31 said:
I just cannot understand why a christian of any stripe would be interested in converting and for me particularly a catholic christian. Is not Jesus enough for us?
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Are you thinking that Jesus is absent outside of ‘Christianity’?
 
Ahimsa said:
Granted. But what about in the “non-fullest sense”?
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He’s talking about conversion, so his point is that if you know Jesus explicitly why would you go elsewhere?

And I agree. I’m never going to convert to a non-Christian religion because I’m never going to abandon Jesus (known by name, explicitly, within a 2000-year tradition that tries to follow him, however imperfectly).

However, like you, I’m inclined to poke at the boundaries of what it means to follow Jesus and just how far one can incorporate the insights and practices of other traditions within a life dedicated to following Jesus.

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
He’s talking about conversion, so his point is that if you know Jesus explicitly why would you go elsewhere?

And I agree. I’m never going to convert to a non-Christian religion because I’m never going to abandon Jesus (known by name, explicitly, within a 2000-year tradition that tries to follow him, however imperfectly).
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True, but how many “Christians” know Jesus “perfectly”? It may be the case that a Christian (due to their own history, cultural, and social upbringing and experiences) may experience, say, “34% of Jesus” in their church, but find 79% of Jesus in, say, Zoroastrianism.

Eventually, they may discover 100% in their church, but that’s no guarantee.
 
Ahimsa said:
True, but how many “Christians” know Jesus “perfectly”? It may be the case that a Christian (due to their own history, cultural, and social upbringing and experiences) may experience, say, “34% of Jesus” in their church, but find 79% of Jesus in, say, Zoroastrianism.

Eventually, they may discover 100% in their church, but that’s no guarantee.
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Agreed. I’ve never actually heard of a Christian converting to Zoroastrianism, but I’m sure it’s happened somewhere–probably in California:p

It certainly happens with regard to Buddhism. And my dad’s cousin and her husband (she was Methodist, he was Catholic) may have found more of Jesus in Sufi Islam than they were able to perceive in the Christian churches in which they had grown up.

Edwin
 
Ahimsa said:
True, but how many “Christians” know Jesus “perfectly”? It may be the case that a Christian (due to their own history, cultural, and social upbringing and experiences) may experience, say, “34% of Jesus” in their church, but find 79% of Jesus in, say, Zoroastrianism.

Eventually, they may discover 100% in their church, but that’s no guarantee.
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The only way to know 100% of Jesus is in the church! You must know Him as the saviour, Son of God, and all He claims to be as found in the gospels. Again I say why look else where fo Jesus? He is the only way to God the Father. The only way to find salvation.
 
Ahimsa said:
True, but how many “Christians” know Jesus “perfectly”? It may be the case that a Christian (due to their own history, cultural, and social upbringing and experiences) may experience, say, “34% of Jesus” in their church, but find 79% of Jesus in, say, Zoroastrianism. Eventually, they may discover 100% in their church, but that’s no guarantee.
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May the grace and peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

The message and teaching of Jesus, in so far as it can be known by men, is to be found in its fullness, 100%, in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Elements of the truth, i.e, the teaching of Jesus Christ, can also be found outside of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostilic Church, but not in its fullness.

The spiritual jouney of knowing Jesus through faith and love during our life on earth is ongoing.

God bless you,
Quis ut Deus 3
 
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