Are cures against god's will?

[angell1]

ok so i understand that disease is not necessarily part of God’s active will but he does permit it sometimes for whatever reason. usually to bring good out of it

but what about cures for those diseases? how can we articulate that it’s not against God’s will if he was wanting to use the disease to take someone’s life. he is the author of life after all and can decide when to take it.

i know it’s not against his will because Jesus said to take care of the sick numerous times but i need a good thought out explanation to present to others, especially abortion supporters

 

[4love2God]

Didn’t we just have this EXACT issue a couple days ago? i.e., Is seeking medical care against God’s will?

Well, OK.
What do you define as a Cure?
An Aspirin for a Headache, for instance?

Or, an Abortion as a Cure for an unwanted pregnancy, perhaps?

So, are you looking for an argument FOR seeking all the Medical Care possible to Cure a Disease (or Condition)?
If so, I can probably give you some ideas for how to present that side of the issue.

 

[angell1]

Didn’t we just have this EXACT issue a couple days ago? i.e., Is seeking medical care against God’s will?

Well, OK.
What do you define as a Cure?
An Aspirin for a Headache, for instance?

Or, an Abortion as a Cure for an unwanted pregnancy, perhaps?

So, are you looking for an argument FOR seeking all the Medical Care possible to Cure a Disease (or Condition)?
If so, I can probably give you some ideas for how to present that side of the issue.

not abortion, i’m trying to contrast normal cures versus murdering of children. people try to lump together as the same thing. and sorry for asking again, i just need some more thoughts

 

[4love2God]

The OP said **: “Not abortion, [instead] i’m trying to contrast normal cures versus murdering of children.
People try to lump together as the same thing.” **

Do you mean YES abortion? . . . It seems like you might mean that instead.
If not abortion, then you must be talking about parents murdering their baby Daughters in India (and a couple other countries), because boys are highly prized (but girls require a dowry).

I am sorry.
Can you please explain, slowly, what you are looking for?

 

[Nelka]

In England, aspirin comes from the bark of a Willow tree, centuries ago people used to chew it to relieve headaches, I am not sure what the process is to turn it into a pill.

Sidenote: Why do pills always taste like talcum powder?

 

[PaulfromIowa]

No, medical treatment is not against God’s will. St. Luke was a physician. If God wants to take someone to Heaven, no human could stop him.

 

[josh987654321]

ok so i understand that disease is not necessarily part of God’s active will but he does permit it sometimes for whatever reason. usually to bring good out of it

but what about cures for those diseases? how can we articulate that it’s not against God’s will if he was wanting to use the disease to take someone’s life. he is the author of life after all and can decide when to take it.

i know it’s not against his will because Jesus said to take care of the sick numerous times but i need a good thought out explanation to present to others, especially abortion supporters

If you are dealing with pro-choice abortion supporters, or anyone trying to justify abortion, I would strongly recommend this short documentry (30min) on youtube here - 180 It’s fantastic

I hope I have helped

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[edwest2]

ok so i understand that disease is not necessarily part of God’s active will but he does permit it sometimes for whatever reason. usually to bring good out of it

but what about cures for those diseases? how can we articulate that it’s not against God’s will if he was wanting to use the disease to take someone’s life. he is the author of life after all and can decide when to take it.

i know it’s not against his will because Jesus said to take care of the sick numerous times but i need a good thought out explanation to present to others, especially abortion supporters

Jesus mentioned physicians during His time here. He didn’t forbid any type of licit cure, and neither does the Church.

Peace,
Ed

 

[jmj777]

So, when we pray, should we ask God for a cure? or for the person to grow closer to God as a result of the illness?

Since God allows disease / illness for the person’s greater good, does it contradict God’s will if we pray for a miracle?

Peace.

+JMJ+

 

[LeafByNiggle]

So, when we pray, should we ask God for a cure? or for the person to grow closer to God as a result of the illness?

We should pray as Jesus prayed in Gethsemane. Express our will to God, and then end with “… But your will be done”.

Since God allows disease / illness for the person’s greater good, does it contradict God’s will if we pray for a miracle?

Peace.

+JMJ+

Whenever we speak about God’s will, we should acknowledge that while much of His will has been revealed to us in scripture and through the Church, etc., there is much about His will that is unknown to us. On this earth we can never arrive at a point where we can say with certainty that we know God’s will in every instance. We just have to trust that if we do the best we can with what we do know, God will take care of the rest.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

1 Honor the physician with the honor due him, * according to your need of him, for the Lord created him; 2 for healing comes from the Most High, and he will receive a gift from the king. 3 The skill of the physician lifts up his head, and in the presence of great men he is admired. 4 The Lord created medicines from the earth, and a sensible man will not despise them. 5 Was not water made sweet with a tree in order that his* power might be known? 6 And he gave skill to men that he* might be glorified in his marvelous works. 7 By them he heals and takes away pain; 8 the pharmacist makes of them a compound. His works will never be finished; and from him health* is upon the face of the earth. 9 My son, when you are sick do not be negligent, but pray to the Lord, and he will heal you. 10 Give up your faults and direct your hands aright, and cleanse your heart from all sin. 11 Offer a sweet-smelling sacrifice, and a memorial portion of fine flour, and pour oil on your offering, as much as you can afford. * 12 And give the physician his place, for the Lord created him; let him not leave you, for there is need of him. 13 There is a time when success lies in the hands of physicians, * 14 for they too will pray to the Lord that he should grant them success in diagnosis* and in healing, for the sake of preserving life.

Sirach 38:1-14