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D.Erasmus.R
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Are doctrines true because the Church teaches them, or does the Church teach doctrines because they’re true?
Are doctrines true because the Church teaches them, or does the Church teach doctrines because they’re true?
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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The second one 
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Gorgias
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The latter. The Church doesn’t define truth, as such; she recognizes it and teaches it.
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Dovekin
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If I answer a little of both, will I be accused of relativism? Of not believing inTruth as objective reality?
Reality changes when a priest prays “this is my body.” What the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. I can conceive of a similar authority in teaching, where what the Church teaches is true because the Church teaches it. Such an idea would have so many conditions, it is hard to see what difference it makes.
Reality changes when a priest prays “this is my body.” What the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. I can conceive of a similar authority in teaching, where what the Church teaches is true because the Church teaches it. Such an idea would have so many conditions, it is hard to see what difference it makes.
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TMC
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This is similar to the Euthyphro dilemma: Euthyphro dilemma - Wikipedia
I would say neither. The Church generally teaches doctrines because the Church believes them to be true, and sometimes teaches doctrines because the Church believes them to be the best doctrines to teach. At least that it my opinion.
I would say neither. The Church generally teaches doctrines because the Church believes them to be true, and sometimes teaches doctrines because the Church believes them to be the best doctrines to teach. At least that it my opinion.
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Wesrock
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It depends on the doctrine. There are various grades of certainty.
Anything declared de fide is a divine truth that the Church teaches because it is true.
Anything declared de fide is a divine truth that the Church teaches because it is true.
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Zaccheus
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The Church does not cause doctrines to become true by teaching them.
The Church does not claim that it has power to do this.
When the Church teaches that something is true, that is because the Church is convinced that it is true.
The Church does not claim that it has power to do this.
When the Church teaches that something is true, that is because the Church is convinced that it is true.
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Trader
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The Church exists to proclaim the Truth, and that Truth is a person, not some vague concept.
Jesus said to him, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 14:6
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Then Jesus approached and said to them, “All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.”
Matthew 25:18-20
However, we would not know the Truth unless we learned it from the Church, "“I would not believe the gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.” Saint Augustine of Hippo
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Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?” He replied, “How can I, unless someone instructs me?” So he invited Philip to get in and sit with him.
Acts 8:30-31
Jesus said to him, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 14:6
and:
Then Jesus approached and said to them, “All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.”
Matthew 25:18-20
However, we would not know the Truth unless we learned it from the Church, "“I would not believe the gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.” Saint Augustine of Hippo
and:
Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?” He replied, “How can I, unless someone instructs me?” So he invited Philip to get in and sit with him.
Acts 8:30-31
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John_Martin
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A messenger delivers the message given by the sender of the message, and is not allowed, not authorized, to say anything but the message entrusted to him.
The doctrines of the Church are (among) the message(s) given to the Church to “require” of the people of the Kingdom established by Heaven, which is not established by this world.
The People of God, this Nation of Priests and Kings, this Strange People in the World but not of the World, does not ask, “Is this doctrine true?”, but this people asks, “Who is telling me this doctrine, is this the messenger sent from the Lord?”
Those outside the Kingdom are asking, “Is this or that true, is it truth?”
We ask, “Who are you?” of the messenger, “What is your vocation, and who sent you?”
Apostolic Authority, SENT AUTHORIZATION, by the King to us, his obedient subjects and siblings.
John Martin
The doctrines of the Church are (among) the message(s) given to the Church to “require” of the people of the Kingdom established by Heaven, which is not established by this world.
The People of God, this Nation of Priests and Kings, this Strange People in the World but not of the World, does not ask, “Is this doctrine true?”, but this people asks, “Who is telling me this doctrine, is this the messenger sent from the Lord?”
Those outside the Kingdom are asking, “Is this or that true, is it truth?”
We ask, “Who are you?” of the messenger, “What is your vocation, and who sent you?”
Apostolic Authority, SENT AUTHORIZATION, by the King to us, his obedient subjects and siblings.
John Martin
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Dan_Defender
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This. It is her mission and has the guidance of the Holy Spirit to fulfill it.
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