Are Eastern Catholics "Roman Catholic"?

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Even if that’s true, it’s interesting that the term was never repudiated by Rome. Quite the opposite: it seems to have been been embraced. 🤷
The term " Latin " was also offensive due to the fact the Greeks used the term as an insult during conflict with the East and the Western Churches ( during and before the great schism).
 
The term " Latin " was also offensive due to the fact the Greeks used the term as an insult during conflict with the East and the Western Churches ( during and before the great schism).
And all of it is irrelevent since it has been embraced.

Fun for a trivia game , however.
 
Mind elaborating what you mean?
Only that as time has gone by that it’s a fun piece of trivia knowledge, but the Church has embraced terms like “Christian” “Roman” “Latin” etc, even though they started out as insults.

🙂

So, other than trivia, it’s irrelevant that they started out as negative because they arent anymore. 👍
 
A related question could be: Does the term Greek Catholic confuse people?
 
Only that as time has gone by that it’s a fun piece of trivia knowledge, but the Church has embraced terms like “Christian” “Roman” “Latin” etc, even though they started out as insults.

🙂

So, other than trivia, it’s irrelevant that they started out as negative because they arent anymore. 👍
That’s actually very true! 🙂
 
A related question could be: Does the term Greek Catholic confuse people?
To those who grew up Greek Catholic it is not confusing. To those of the church of Rome to which all concepts of Catholic belong, yes it is very confusing unless they are aware of the early history of the Church.

As to Eastern Catholics=Roman Catholics? definitely not!
 
As to Eastern Catholics=Roman Catholics? definitely not!
Definitely YES , unless you want Eastern Catholics excluded from the Mystical Body of Christ .

" The Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing . " ( Written by Pope Pius XII in 1950 in his encyclical letter “Humani Generis” . )
 
Definitely YES , unless you want Eastern Catholics excluded from the Mystical Body of Christ .

" The Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing . " ( Written by Pope Pius XII in 1950 in his encyclical letter “Humani Generis” . )
Your assertion is rather dishonest, to be honest. It’s not a fair statement; and wouldn’t be respectful of either Roman, or Eastern Catholics - er, Greek Catholics.

To quote my Jeet Kune Do instructor: “JKD is defined by its tools.” Likewise, Greek Catholicism is defined by its tools, like Roman Catholicism is defined by its tools.

What are the tools of the Greek Catholics? Do you know petronus? Please answer us, whether you do, or don’t. For example, we don’t have Eucharistic Adoration, as our tools of the trade. Likewise, for most Roman Catholics, it’s not expected to carry a chotki/komboskini, or prayer rope; or, pray the Jesus Prayer; or sing an Akathist hym.

We don’t expect Roman rite parishes to have an iconostasis; nor, do we expect Roman Catholics to subscribe to our view of purgation (which is, purgatory isn’t a location). I can go on, and on. This misinformation regarding Greek Catholics, Maronite Catholics, Malankara needs to stop. You can’t put a round peg, into a square hole; and I don’t expect you to place a square peg, into a circular hole, either.

Hmmm…I wonder why in Orthodoxy, they just section it off based on Jurisdictions, and sometimes on ethnicity? Maybe it’s because they understand: not everyone will have the same tools of the trade, as another. They respect each church’s person hood, but at the same time acknowledge unity in the faith.
 
Definitely YES , unless you want Eastern Catholics excluded from the Mystical Body of Christ .

" The Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing . " ( Written by Pope Pius XII in 1950 in his encyclical letter “Humani Generis” . )
How does not being a Roman Catholic catholic exclude one from the Mystical Body of Christ? Are you saying that unless one is Roman Catholic they are not Catholic?

Perhaps the triumphalism of Pius XII comes through in “Humani Generis”. Any wonder why there is some push back from the Eastern Churches when dealing with Rome with the attitude that the only catholic is Roman Catholic still pervading the discussion on one side?
 
Definitely YES , unless you want Eastern Catholics excluded from the Mystical Body of Christ .

" The Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing . " ( Written by Pope Pius XII in 1950 in his encyclical letter “Humani Generis” . )
Not necessarily, because often times when people say “Roman Catholic” they mean “Roman-Rite Catholic” (which is obviously not the way Pius XII was using it).
 
How does not being a Roman Catholic catholic exclude one from the Mystical Body of Christ? Are you saying that unless one is Roman Catholic they are not Catholic?

Perhaps the triumphalism of Pius XII comes through in “Humani Generis”. Any wonder why there is some push back from the Eastern Churches when dealing with Rome with the attitude that the only catholic is Roman Catholic still pervading the discussion on one side?
Good point! But as others have said, I think it all boils down to the incorrect use of the term “Roman Catholic”, which really isn’t an official Catholic term anyway.
 
Good point! But as others have said, I think it all boils down to the incorrect use of the term “Roman Catholic”, which really isn’t an official Catholic term anyway.
If it is not an official Catholic term why is it used , for example , in papal encyclicals ?
 
If it is not an official Catholic term why is it used , for example , in papal encyclicals ?
The use of the term in papal encyclicals, does not make that term for all eternity the official term of the Church. Also, its use in papal encyclicals may not have been intended to establish the term as the official name of the Church.
 
The better use is:

“Catholic Church” for the whole Church (all Catholic Churches East and West) (the term used for the Catechism which is for the whole Church)

“Roman Catholic” for the Roman Church

“Melkite Catholic” for the Melkite Catholic Church

“Coptic Catholic” for the Copts…and so on.

(Christians and Catholics for any of the members…though one can add the Roman to Romans and Coptic to Copts etc.)
 
If it is not an official Catholic term why is it used , for example , in papal encyclicals ?
“Roman Catholic” may not be strictly wrong, but it certainly leads to confusion because of the multiplicity of meanings.

My solution is this: don’t say “the Roman Catholic Church” but rather “the Roman Communion” (meaning all those 23 churches in full communion with Rome), and don’t shorten “Roman-Rite Catholics” to “Roman Catholics”.

P.S. Bookcat, I just realized that you posted something similar just minutes ago. 🙂 Having said that, I feel I need to point out that there is no “Roman Church”. There’s a Roman Rite (which is one of the rites used in the Latin Church).
 
“Roman Catholic” may not be strictly wrong, but it certainly leads to confusion because of the multiplicity of meanings.

My solution is this: don’t say “the Roman Catholic Church” but rather “the Roman Communion” (meaning all those 23 churches in full communion with Rome), and don’t shorten “Roman-Rite Catholics” to “Roman Catholics”.

P.S. Bookcat, I just realized that you posted something similar just minutes ago. 🙂 Having said that, I feel I need to point out that there is no “Roman Church”. There’s a Roman Rite (which is one of the rites used in the Latin Church).
Latin and Roman are the same thing basically
 
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