Are Eastern Catholics "Roman Catholic"?

[Tomdstone]

I am a member of Eastern catholic church. Actually we have nothing to do with Rome.

Do all Eastern Catholic Churches subscribe to the infallibility of the Roman Pope when speaking ex cathedra? I know that the Orthodox Christians do not accept this teaching. Also, do Eastern Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and from the Son?

 

[crazzeto]

My vote is no, I’m fairly sure “Roman Catholic” referrers to the rite only. However since the Roman Rite is so big, I think this is all people know so it gets jumbled.

 

[jjkadavil]

Do all Eastern Catholic Churches subscribe to the infallibility of the Roman Pope when speaking ex cathedra?

We do. We will still do even if Pope changes his place to somewhere else from Rome. We will still do even if the pope is from any other church than Roman church.

do Eastern Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and from the Son?

No. We pray in the creed that we believe in Holy Spirit who proceeds from the Father.

 

[Aramis]

Do all Eastern Catholic Churches subscribe to the infallibility of the Roman Pope when speaking ex cathedra? I know that the Orthodox Christians do not accept this teaching. Also, do Eastern Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and from the Son?

At least on paper. It’s Catholic Dogma, and the dogmas themselves are required of all the churches sui iuris.

 

[UncleBill]

At least on paper. It’s Catholic Dogma, and the dogmas themselves are required of all the churches sui iuris.

Yes Pope Towadros is infallible…not sure of that guy in Rome though.

 

[Peter_J]

The coinage of the term "Roman Catholic’ itself does not make sense to me. Catholic means universal where Roman is confining to a particular place.

Well, “Roman-Rite Catholic” is definitely a sensical term. Shortening it to “Roman Catholic” is somewhat question (at the very least, it’s prone to cause confusion, since many people use “Roman Catholic” to mean all members of the Roman Communion).

I am a member of Eastern catholic church. Actually we have nothing to do with Rome.

That, to me, seems like an overly-strong way of putting it. Being in full communion with someone is hardly having nothing to do with him/her.

 

[Peter_J]

Yes Pope Towadros is infallible…not sure of that guy in Rome though.

Hey don’t make me come over there!

:nunchuk:

 

[jjkadavil]

Well, “Roman-Rite Catholic” is definitely a sensical term. Shortening it to “Roman Catholic” is somewhat question (at the very least, it’s prone to cause confusion, since many people use “Roman Catholic” to mean all members of the Roman Communion).

Exactly, many people in our church call themselves RCSC (Roman Catholic Syrian Catholic). Awareness is spread among us to call ourselves only Syrian Catholic.

That, to me, seems like an overly-strong way of putting it. Being in full communion with someone is hardly having nothing to do with him/her.

I understand what you mean. I think it only appears to be overly-strong way of putting it. We take the part ‘catholic’, not Roman. We do not need anything that is part of the Roman/Latin liturgy or tradition. We have our own traditions which is formed in our culture throughout centuries from AD 52. Our apostolic succession does not come through Rome. Even if there was no church in Rome, ours would still be there.

The reason for the strong way of putting is because, the more Roman part interferes with us the more is the mess. Currently we are undergoing hard time to retain our identity. When the missionaries came to our place, they did not show the mercy to let us live/worship in our own liturgy/traditions. Anyone’s blood will boil when reading the history.

You will understand it’s seriousness when you realize, it even caused the separation of group from our unity with the Coonan Cross oath and joined the west syrian tradtion. They are not under the pope anymore.

So by Roman I mean Roman liturgy, cult, traditions etc. We are happy with ours as we think we are much closer to the originality of Christianity.

 

[guanophore]

Awareness is spread among us to call ourselves only Syrian Catholic.

We do not need anything that is part of the Roman/Latin liturgy or tradition. We have our own traditions which is formed in our culture throughout centuries from AD 52. Our apostolic succession does not come through Rome. Even if there was no church in Rome, ours would still be there.

So by Roman I mean Roman liturgy, cult, traditions etc. We are happy with ours as we think we are much closer to the originality of Christianity.

I am curious to learn more about this. Can you explain how your unique culture keeps you closer to the original?

 

[dagrapevine]

Catholicism / Catholics

Second oldest rerligion known to man.

One of the Seven Beleifs [churches] on the earth, spoken of in the KJV.

KJV - Revelations - 3- 7
And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
8
I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
13
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

The church [beleif] of the Judaism is the second church mentioned in Rev. makeing it the second youngest with the Christians being the first to be mentioned makeing it the youngest religion / beleif that is known of today at present time.

Applying the rules last first and first last. seventh church [first and oldest - Hindues] being named last. And the last beleif brought into being [Christians/ephesians] being named first.

And the rules do cover all things.

last is first first is last

greatest is least and the least is greatest

Fisrt hour of the day = 12

last hour of the day = 12

first season of the year = winter

last season of the year = winter

Peace out

 

[jwinch2]

Catholicism / Catholics

Second oldest rerligion known to man.

One of the Seven Beleifs [churches] on the earth, spoken of in the KJV.

KJV - Revelations - 3- 7
And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
8
I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
13
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

The church [beleif] of the Judaism is the second church mentioned in Rev. makeing it the second youngest with the Christians being the first to be mentioned makeing it the youngest religion / beleif that is known of today at present time.

Applying the rules last first and first last. seventh church [first and oldest - Hindues] being named last. And the last beleif brought into being [Christians/ephesians] being named first.

And the rules do cover all things.

last is first first is last

greatest is least and the least is greatest

Fisrt hour of the day = 12

last hour of the day = 12

first season of the year = winter

last season of the year = winter

Peace out

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[jjkadavil]

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[jjkadavil]

I am curious to learn more about this. Can you explain how your unique culture keeps you closer to the original?

Syrian churches are founded before Roman churches. I am in India and we are still called Syrian church. The same apostles founded Roman church. Why are they not called Syrian? So we are closer in the very name itself.

Based on our experience we had from western missionaries, they are very bad in being adaptive to anything else. This attitude affects the originality. History says they even killed one of our bishops to stop the apostolic succession from the Syrian church.

Eastern churches gives high importance to the traditions and the religious practices developed in our church have strong traditional basis and consistency. Where westerners are more creative and they even start worship practices from the air without any strong traditional basis. Monstrance adoration is one among them. I think Jesus would be surprised to see what we do in monstrance adoration.

Many more. However it’s a vast topic and it’s not the place for explaining it.No offenses. We let our space each other. Peace be with us…

 

[jjkadavil]

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[Frank22]

I’m a Chaldean Catholic and I hope you will see me as your brother in Christ.

 

[Tomdstone]

Hello,

Wikipedia states " TheCatholic Church, also known as theRoman Catholic Church, is the world’s largestChristian church, with 1.2 billion members worldwide.[1][2][3]It is among the oldest institutions in the world and has played a prominent role in thehistory of Western civilisation.The Catholic hierarchyis led by thePopeand includescardinals,patriarchsand diocesan*bishops."

Since this also includes Eastern Catholics being under the Pope, wouldn’t Eastern Catholics be part of the Roman Catholic Church just like us Latins? Since Roman Catholic means all Christians in communion with Rome, how does it apply to only the Latin Church?

God Bless!

Eastern Catholics are Catholics in union with Rome, but they are not Roman Catholics in the sense that they do not use the Roman rite. Similarly Roman Catholics are not Eastern Catholics. IMHO

 

[MorEphrem]

I think even arguing over the semantics of whether or not Eastern Catholics are Roman Catholics is, quite frankly, a very Latin thing to do.

 

[Peter_J]

I think even arguing over the semantics of whether or not Eastern Catholics are Roman Catholics is, quite frankly, a very Latin thing to do.

So arguing about it is a latinization?

 

[malphono]

MorEphrem;11073103:

I think even arguing over the semantics of whether or not Eastern Catholics are Roman Catholics is, quite frankly, a very Latin thing to do.

So arguing about it is a latinization?

Personally, I’m not even comfortable using the term “Catholic” but I suppose it does apply in certain circumstances (UGCC, e.g.). Nonetheless, never in a million years would I use the prefix, and I really don’t see that prefix being applicable in even the above-referenced circumstances.

In any case, I wouldn’t call it a “latinization” per-se. At the same time, though, I think one has to admit that even such a semantical argument is rather Scholastic in nature in and of itself. And that’s not to mention that such an argument reflects, to me anyway, an inherent thought of the “superiority” of anything tagged with “Roman” as a prefix.

 

[Josephene]

’ Crucified under Pontius Pilate ’ is part of The Creed …as though The Spirit wanted those words in there …Rome as the seat of power of the ancient world …thus , for the whole world to have responsibilty, for the event and thus claims for the merits of His mercy and forgivnesss too …esp. to be granted through the Successor of Peter - with close connection to Rome .

Thus, with the responsibilty that comes with love and is even equated as love , as per the keen and timely writings of Bl.John Paul 11 , under the title of ’ Love and Responisibilty ', those in The East ,who takes loving responsibilty , to be in communion , probabaly do not have to atleast take offense at the term .

Today is Feast of St.Teresa Benedicta of The Cross , also known as Edith Stein …a holocuast martyr …an iconic life and event , that could help to pull forth the grace of unity of repentance from The East and the West …

just as too, the upcoming Feast of St.Maximilian , a saint closely tied to the East too …
and who has visited India
and then The Feast of Assumption, which, in plan of Providence , falls on Indian Independence Day , as though a gift to the children of St.Thomas , who is esp. closely related , as per tradition, to the events of Assumption …

and whose land too , this year , possibly can recieve special prayers of repentance , for its 360th anniv . of the rebellious Coonan Cross oath ,at Our Lady of Life church , built by the Portugese , an oath against The Papacy too , that saw the Church there split in two , over changes brought forth by the Jesuits , whose hearts possibly saw with horror , the prevailing evils of caste system etc : among the beleivers there and whose Church was likley to have been destroyed under Islam…and The Bl.Mother , likley sending the missionaries from Portugal,
the land whose Patron is St.Sebastian , the Roman Martyr, well venerated in the land , to this day !

( Some even linking the Nazi evil , related to New age influences , with its emblem of Sawastika …again , to make one wonder , how difft. things might have been …if not for divisions …)

Such repentance …who knows how far reaching its effects might be …since the present connection of those who split off , extends to Antioch and Syria …well connected with many other prevailing divisions …

.there is the mysterious mention of Peter and Thomas , with a few other Apostles , who go fishing , after The Resurrection …seemingly , having had to be prepared , to listen to The Lord and of His commission to Peter , to tend and feed …

May the prayers of the holy saints and martyrs strenghen us , to be abe to do our loving , responsible part too ,esp. to repent for divsions and its effects in lives of many , through the centuries !

Peace !