Are Eastern Catholics "Roman Catholic"?

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Josephene said:
’ Crucified under Pontius Pilate ’ is part of The Creed …as though The Spirit wanted those words in there …Rome as the seat of power of the ancient world …thus , for the whole world to have responsibilty, for the event and thus claims for the merits of His mercy and forgivnesss too …esp. to be granted through the Successor of Peter - with close connection to Rome .
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Well there’s your problem; the Syriac creed says in the days of Pontius Pilate :D.

But in all seriousness, that’s not really relevant to the volition of the Spirit to clarify that Rome is the ultimate authority, nor does that have anything to do with the semantics of being a Catholic as opposed to a Roman Catholic. Firstly, it was a historical fact that the Roman governor in 1st century Palestine had Jesus crucified; that does not speak for or against the volition of the Spirit for the Church to have the Pope in Rome. In the hypothetical that the Sassanid Empire ruled Palestine at that time, would that’ve meant God willed the Church to be in Persia? I think that’s reading into historical accidents too much.

But honestly, I seem to notice a pattern on this forum where Eastern Catholics present historical argumentation and an appropriate response is just constituted by sentiment and reading too in depth into an irrelevant matter 🤷. And Josephene, I apologize if this sounds like an attack on you, but it isn’t (especially since you were responding also to no one but the OP).
 
I have to wonder: Given the way that the law is written, would a Catholic of, say the Chaldean or Byzantine Rite be eligible to ascend the throne of the UK? After all, they only specify that the heir cannot be “Roman Catholic”… 😃
 
Monkey1976 said:
I have to wonder: Given the way that the law is written, would a Catholic of, say the Chaldean or Byzantine Rite be eligible to ascend the throne of the UK? After all, they only specify that the heir cannot be “Roman Catholic”… 😃
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Looks like a bit of a tongue-in-cheek question to be sure. 🙂 Usually I’d ignore something like this, but (this time) I’ll bite.

The answer would be a very simple NO. The devil is in the details, as the old expression goes, and here the “detail” of prime importance is (and this irrespective of the undeniable fact that the monarch has nothing directly to do with the faith or governance of CoE itself) the position of the monarch as Head of the Church of England. IOW, by virtue of that one detail, anyone other than a CoE would be unacceptable. I would doubt that even a Church of Scotland (Presbyterian) claimant, albeit with the appropriate pedigree, would be allowed to ascend the British throne.
 
Monkey1976 said:
I have to wonder: Given the way that the law is written, would a Catholic of, say the Chaldean or Byzantine Rite be eligible to ascend the throne of the UK? After all, they only specify that the heir cannot be “Roman Catholic”… 😃
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Good question. Hold on for a sec, I need to mail a pamphlet to my cousin Kate.
 
Monkey1976 said:
I have to wonder: Given the way that the law is written, would a Catholic of, say the Chaldean or Byzantine Rite be eligible to ascend the throne of the UK? After all, they only specify that the heir cannot be “Roman Catholic”… 😃
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I doubt it. My guess is that to them, RC means anyone in union with Rome.
 
MorEphrem said:
Well there’s your problem; the Syriac creed says in the days of Pontius Pilate :D.

, would that’ve meant God willed the Church to be in Persia? I think that’s reading into historical accidents too much.

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Thank you for the response , in cordiality -🙂

Think , the above words about , ’ historical accidents ', with regard to The Son of God ! might be The Problem , which , in turn , had led to the 'blame ’ being laid unjustly upon the Jewish people alone !

Peace !
 
catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=7094 - wanted to share these write ups, based on that of Bl.John Paul 11 , hoping that such can help us, to recognise more deeply The Church’s stand on guidelines for intercommunion as well as the venerable practice of Eucharistic Adoration , to make up for the utilitarian irreverence , in the hearts of many , towards The Lord , in the Eucharist ( or towards The Church - The Lord and His Church being one , as attested by St.Paul .)

Would it not be that when the existence of divisions and of distrust, for The Lord and His Church , is not recognised and repented for deeply, that too promotes a utilitarian mindset , adding to same from those who do so , from not caring enough,even while claiming to be in communion !

Our culture ,as it is , awash , in such and its vast effects !

What is awesome is , how The Lord has foreseen our fallen ways so well …
and chooses to come , in what can be seem to be mere bread and wine …often , taking on the pain of being ignored / recieved as 'obejct ’ , thus very much , to be part of the pain of same , in many lives , who , in turn , can turn to Him , in gratitude and fidelity , that such pain be used , to help more to see the truth of His love , the related dignity of our lives and to help with fidelity, to Him, through teaching of His Church as well !

May the prayers of powerful Patrons of love for the Eucharistic Lord , such as that of St.Clare and of St.Alphonsa ( Syro-Malabar ) and ofcourse , Bl.John Paul 11 , help us all !
 
Pardon me, if this sounds a bit ’ too much …’

Yet, this too , with the hope that ,even in the little mythological 'accidents ’ in history , there might be something hidden , that could help …

Such might be the mythology, behind the history of the founding of Rome …the she wolf , that suckle the mythical twins …

hmm…dogs…wolves …tied to the tendency to’ bite and tear ’ … and far worse tendencies too, that St.Paul even uses the term 'dogs ’ interchangeably , as a phrase for a challenging lifestyle that our culture too is struggling to find ways to prevent / heal …

and the Pslam 22 , Verse 17 - 'many dogs surround me … a pack of evil doers close in on me ’ …

Then , there are the Lord’s words on the ‘eating of His flesh …’ in the Eucharist , where it has been interpreted to mean - ’ to chew and gnaw …’

Could it be that , just like the plague was caused by the rat flea , there is an element of bestial spirit that can come in, into many lives, through whatever means ( our Lord even warns about persons looking at another with lust …how , that type of emotional 'using ’ of another , leads to a type of adulterous bonding ! )

The presence of T.V , that glorifies animals ,often even eqating them with humans …is it that The Spirit foresaw the need to prevent much , in the realm of human life , from conception on down , from all such evil influences that were to be unleashed upon lives, with even more force , in our times …
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   and gifted The Church , with the Dogmas ( pardon the pun ! ) that touch this  very realm -  the ones about the Immaculate Conception and Assumption , to point to our divine nature and purity of lives and hearts, at an even more palpable level  ..and the one on Papal infallibility , as an assurance that , in the very life and breath of believers  - in faith and morals , the Holy Spirit is there to protect the Church  , to see to it that they are not to be  ' used '  by temporal powers  , which too has been a tragic part of history and we know where too , mostly !
Thus , hoping that , repentance in many such areas and seeing the light, with gratitude and fervor, of what The Church is being tended onto , in feeding the faithful , would heal and set things right , in lives both in and out of The Church …and our Eucharistic Lord , there to share His very life with us …may we be moved to often visit Him spiritually , esp. in tabernacles , where He awaits , to bring us closer , to all that is of His !

Peace !
 
Pardon me, Josephene, but what do your posts have to do with the topic, “Are Eastern Catholics “Roman Catholic”?” :confused:
 
I haven’t voted in this poll because I’m not convinced I want to select either answer. AFAIK there’s no official definition of ‘Roman Catholic’. As a general term I think it frequently refers to Latin Catholic. However, the term is also used to cover the entire Catholic Church.
 
Bergon said:
I haven’t voted in this poll because I’m not convinced I want to select either answer. AFAIK there’s no official definition of ‘Roman Catholic’. As a general term I think it frequently refers to Latin Catholic. However, the term is also used to cover the entire Catholic Church.
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Actually, not even all Latin Catholics are Roman Rite. There are also other western rites, e.g. Bragan and Ambrosian.
 
theistgal said:
Pardon me, Josephene, but what do your posts have to do with the topic, “Are Eastern Catholics “Roman Catholic”?” :confused:
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Pardon too , for any ( unintended ) hurt feelings - :o

The nuances of the psyche , with the long memories and interelationships are not easy to figure out , with regard to members of the particular Churches .

catholiceducation.org/articles/marriage/mf0071.html

Having come across the above book , based on that of Bl.John Paul 11 , on love and resposnsibilty , thought that such a perspective , on ’ Rome ’ / Holy Father, carrying loving responsibity , for the tending and feeding of the sheep , can be a means to help shed fears of negative phrases such as 'submission ’ , which, in turn , seem to instigate efforts to distance persons , with even contrived charges and forgetting occasions for gratitude for the comunion and all that same entails .

The Resurrection narratives give repeated mention , about The Lord , talking with seeming anticipation , about going to Galilee .

Seems The Spirit inspires Peter and Thomas too , to go fishing …

was it that Peter was made to recall that long ago promise , to be made fishers of men , .on the shores of the same Galilee… .and Thomas , seemingy having accepted the role of Peter already , is the first to offer support …
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and that night of the  empty net ,that only gets filled ,  after  listening to the Lord , who, thus  well prepares  them ..or rather those who would follow them  , down through the years ,  to listen and accept the all important role  -  of Peter , to tend and feed ..
Thus , those who have been blessed to be in communion , to be tended and fed, in trusting peace , would not be ashamed , one hopes , to be associated with Rome , even if its history /achievements might not seem as glorious as that of those who want to be rivals …guess , The Lord choosing the lowly Galilee - ? to help such !

taylormarshall.com/2012/12/the-new-book-eternal-city-about-rome.html -
just happened to find out about this book today …interesting …

Bl.John Paul 11 had said how the Syro-Malabar Church never ( intentionally ) broke communion with Rome … those who want to do so, even if at an emotional level , would not be doing what is loving and responsible , IMHO !

Peace !
 
Bergon said:
My post, and this thread, are about the Roman Catholic Church. I made no mention of rites and the thread doesn’t ask about rites.
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Not explicitly, but one of the primary (possible) answers to the question ‘Are Eastern Catholics “Roman Catholic”?’ is "No they aren’t, because “Roman Catholic” means “Roman-Rite Catholic”.
 
Peter_J said:
Not explicitly, but one of the primary (possible) answers to the question ‘Are Eastern Catholics “Roman Catholic”?’ is "No they aren’t, because “Roman Catholic” means “Roman-Rite Catholic”.
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I don’t believe the question was about rites but about churches. They are two different things.

In any context I’ve seen ‘Roman Catholic’ refers to a church whether that be the Latin Catholic Church or the entire Catholic Church (Eastern, Latin and Oriental). If one wishes to make reference to a rite, e.g. Roman Rite, Byzantine Rite, Chaldean Rite, etc. one normally mentions the rite.
 
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