Are fallen away Catholics still bound by Canon Law regarding Marriage?

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For a Catholic to be validly married, they are bound by Canon Law which says that the wedding needs to be in a Church, with a representative of the Church and two witnesses present. However, non-Catholics are not bound by this law, which is why two non-Catholics could be married before a Justice of the Peace, and the Church still considers their marriage valid.

My question is: Would a fallen away Catholic who formally joined a Protestant church still be bound by this canon law? Could they still be validly married if they got married in their new Protestant church? My hunch is that, if they made a formal act of joining another church, they would not be bound by canon law, whereas, if they did not formally leave the Church by joining another, they would still be bound by the law. I am not positive, though, and would appreciate any insights! Thanks!
 
For a Catholic to be validly married, they are bound by Canon Law which says that the wedding needs to be in a Church, with a representative of the Church and two witnesses present. However, non-Catholics are not bound by this law, which is why two non-Catholics could be married before a Justice of the Peace, and the Church still considers their marriage valid.

My question is:** Would a fallen away Catholic who formally joined a Protestant church still be bound by this canon law**? Could they still be validly married if they got married in their new Protestant church? My hunch is that, if they made a formal act of joining another church, they would not be bound by canon law, whereas, if they did not formally leave the Church by joining another, they would still be bound by the law. I am not positive, though, and would appreciate any insights! Thanks!
I am just wondering from the way you asked this question, sorry but I could not help but wonder it…

Don’t Protestants require people to be married in their respective Churches too? I guess I assumed they would.
 
I’d have to hunt for it. Somewhere on these forums there are some posts about what it actually takes to formally leave the Catholic Church and so therefore not be bound by laws which are only binding on Catholics.

It’s apparently more difficult to leave the Catholic Church than it was once understood to be.
 
Unless we hear otherwise from SMHW or someone else, I’m pretty sure that formally joining a different denomination is a de facto renunciation of your membership in the Catholic Church, and you therefore would no longer be bound by canon law.
 
I am just wondering from the way you asked this question, sorry but I could not help but wonder it…

Don’t Protestants require people to be married in their respective Churches too? I guess I assumed they would.
I’m not sure. My hunch is that it would vary from denomination to denomination. In any case, whether or not they followed their own denomination’s guidelines probably wouldn’t affect the validity of the marriage in the eyes of the Catholic Church.
I’d have to hunt for it. Somewhere on these forums there are some posts about what it actually takes to formally leave the Catholic Church and so therefore not be bound by laws which are only binding on Catholics.

It’s apparently more difficult to leave the Catholic Church than it was once understood to be.
I tried doing a search for it before I posted the thread, but evidently I need more experience in effective search techniques. 🙂
 
For a Catholic to be validly married, they are bound by Canon Law which says that the wedding needs to be in a Church, with a representative of the Church and two witnesses present. However, non-Catholics are not bound by this law, which is why two non-Catholics could be married before a Justice of the Peace, and the Church still considers their marriage valid.

My question is: Would a fallen away Catholic who formally joined a Protestant church still be bound by this canon law? Could they still be validly married if they got married in their new Protestant church? My hunch is that, if they made a formal act of joining another church, they would not be bound by canon law, whereas, if they did not formally leave the Church by joining another, they would still be bound by the law. I am not positive, though, and would appreciate any insights! Thanks!
If we regard the contracting parties from the point of view of recipients of sacramental grace, it may be stated as a general principle that all baptised persons, not affected by a diriment impediment, are capable of receiving this sacrament validly. Baptism is the door to all the other sacraments, which, because of their intimate connection with Christ, cannot be received unless the recipient is first incorporated into the Mystical Body of Christ by the sacrament of regeneration. Non-Catholics, therefore, provided they are validly baptised and have no diriment impediments, normally make this sacramental contract validly; for they are definitely excluded from the ecclesiastical law requiring the presence of the parish priest, and their unions are in all essential respects identical with those of Catholics, except they do not receive the nuptial blessing.

Hope this helps. :tiphat:
 
Unless we hear otherwise from SMHW or someone else, I’m pretty sure that formally joining a different denomination is a de facto renunciation of your membership in the Catholic Church, and you therefore would no longer be bound by canon law.
No, this does not satisfy the conditions needed to formally leave the Church. There is more to it, including putting it in writing and having it accepted by the ecclesial authority. It’s a formal process.
 
No, this does not satisfy the conditions needed to formally leave the Church. There is more to it, including putting it in writing and having it accepted by the ecclesial authority. It’s a formal process.
It is? I never knew that. what’s the process? I just thought it was a sin to apostosize. That is the same thing right?
 
Why would a person who walks away from the Catholic Church and becomes say a member of a Lutheran Church go through the effort to “formally” leave?I can’t imagine that many would bother. I know a number of Catholics who have become members of other Churches or denominations and I will say they are sincere people for the most part, but I don’t know of a single one who wrote the Bishop to even inform him let alone get an OK. Soundslike one of those rules to make the job of the tribunals less onerous.
 
Why would a person who walks away from the Catholic Church and becomes say a member of a Lutheran Church go through the effort to “formally” leave?I can’t imagine that many would bother. I know a number of Catholics who have become members of other Churches or denominations and I will say they are sincere people for the most part, but I don’t know of a single one who wrote the Bishop to even inform him let alone get an OK. Soundslike one of those rules to make the job of the tribunals less onerous.
I was kind of thinking that too. If they don’t believe in the Catholic Church, they don’t care what the Church says about if they get married by some judge or whatever. I know a number of people who were raised Catholic and none of them care at all. They just walk away from it.
 
No, this does not satisfy the conditions needed to formally leave the Church. There is more to it, including putting it in writing and having it accepted by the ecclesial authority. It’s a formal process.
I stand corrected. I seem to remember Jimmy Akin discussing this, and I thought my answer reflected what he had said. However, that was a few years before the memo linked in #7, so it may have been the prevailing wisdom at the time.
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Soundslike one of those rules to make the job of the tribunals less onerous.
I think that’s exactly correct. I think the clarity of this policy is very useful. At the same time, while fallen-away Catholics may be legally bound to say, attend Holy Day masses, I would argue they are not morally bound. They must follow the natural law to the best of their abilties, and if their discernment of natural law has led them to reject the Church, I don’t think they are culpable additionally for all the minor violations of a canon law which they reject.
 
For a Catholic to be validly married, they are bound by Canon Law which says that the wedding needs to be in a Church, with a representative of the Church and two witnesses present. However, non-Catholics are not bound by this law, which is why two non-Catholics could be married before a Justice of the Peace, and the Church still considers their marriage valid.

My question is: Would a fallen away Catholic who formally joined a Protestant church still be bound by this canon law? Could they still be validly married if they got married in their new Protestant church? My hunch is that, if they made a formal act of joining another church, they would not be bound by canon law, whereas, if they did not formally leave the Church by joining another, they would still be bound by the law. I am not positive, though, and would appreciate any insights! Thanks!
I believe that the act of formally joining another Christian Community is a formal act of leaving the Catholic faith. Unless prohibited by Divine law, Marriage in another faith tradition would be valid, without being subject to Catholic Canon Law.
 
Thanks for the link! That makes things much clearer!
Remember that simply not practicing the Catholic Faith and saying “I’m no longer Catholic” is one thing. I believe this is what is being addressed in this response.

The act of leaving the Catholic Church and formally joining another Christian Community is something different. Referred to as Heresy or Schism.
 
Soundslike one of those rules to make the job of the tribunals less onerous.
The problem with the exception was recognized early after, if not before, the promulgation of the code in 1983, and the Holy See introduced a wide consultation with bishops and canonical faculties about it that lasted a number of years before the declaration was issued. It certainly does help.
Unless prohibited by Divine law, Marriage in another faith tradition would be valid, without being subject to Catholic Canon Law.
It’s a little broader than that since canon 11 would continue to apply: Merely ecclesiastical laws bind those who have been baptized in the Catholic Church or received into it, possess the sufficient use of reason and, unless the law expressly provides otherwise, have completed seven years of age.

The law excepts the formally defected Catholic only from three things: the requirement of the form of marriage which is imposed for validity (c. 1117), the requirement for permission for licit mixed marriage to a baptized non Catholic (c. 1124), and the invalidating impediment of disparity of cult (c. 1086 §1).

But it does not exempt them from the rest of the law. Those who have formally defected according to the terms in the PCILT declaration remain subject to other matrimonial law of the Church. Consequently the impediments of ecclesiastical law would continue to apply even if a formally defected Catholic wed in another faith tradition. For example, even if the civil state would permit a first cousin marriage, canon 1091, § 2 would still render such a marriage invalid unless dispensed (consanguinity in the 4th degree of the collateral line).
I believe that the act of formally joining another Christian Community is a formal act of leaving the Catholic faith.
In a particular case it certainly might, but it might also just represent the notorious rejection mentioned in canon 1071 and elsewhere though. Since the law (and the declaration) distinguishes between the two (defection and rejection), we must also.

The will (or intention), knowledge, and legal capacity of the person are critical. The third component to establishing the act of formal defection is that a competent Church authority has to receive it. (Some readers might think “formally joining” as a going through those rituals or actions by who one joins another religious body. One problem is that “formal act” has one meaning here in the canonical sense and what “formally joining” means for the other religious body and the person would have to be examined.) Any individual case would need examination.

One can also defect by a formal act without adhering to another Christian Church or ecclesial community or a non Christian religious body in any way whatsoever. The two notions — leaving and joining— are separable actions. One can simply defect just as one can also commit heresy or schism, rejecting doctrine or rejecting governance, without joining any other religious body. (See the part in the PCILT declaration about the removal of one’s name from government religion registries for civil effects. This issue was partly behind the declaration as I understand it. But again, removal did not require joining an alternative.)

Then too, we also have this interesting issue. Infants or minors might be brought to another Christian Church or ecclesial community or a non Christian religious body in such a way simply because they are under the control of their parents or guardians. It may be questionable that a minor has the capacity to place such an act, and highly unlikely that an infant can place an act of the will with juridic effect.

What is helpful for me to think about is that here the Church, while not sanctioning the defection in any way, wishes to let the person exercise the divine natural right to contract marriage validity in these situations, so it removes the ecclesiastical obstacle in them. The defection would be lamentable enough, and the Church does not wish to compound it in regard to marriage.
 
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