Are female angels satanic?

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Hi Andy and everyone else, this is fun. Is it possible to have gender and not have reproduction? And, Andy I was only pointing out the inconsistency in your previous argument thats all.

And, in hevean it is possible that Jesus would not be called “king” but may only be called Lord God Almighty 🙂 or maybe just master.
 
Daniel Marsh:
Hi Andy and everyone else, this is fun. Is it possible to have gender and not have reproduction?
Technically, gender is an artifact of linguistics. Sex is an attribute of biology. Thus a boat may have feminine gender in English and masculine gender in French; or book is masculine in French but feminine in Russian. Boats and books do not have sex. Animals may be sexually differentiated. A lot of people use the word gender when they should say sex - some because they forget sex may be a noun and not just a verb. Or they are just embarrassed to use the word sex.

In any event - I for one have no idea what the deal with sex in heaven may be. Whether we apply gender to words for heavenly residents is all a matter of linguistics and no more.
 
Here’s a thought. The representation of angels as men has more to do with their nature than we give the artists credit for recognizing. Especially in the case of St Michael, who faught Satan and cast him out of heaven, his representation in art and in the Bible reflects his nature.

Angels are powerful creatures. They are incorporeal (no bodies) also, and have no sex. However, “no sex” does not mean that the character with which God endowed them when they were brought into being is not more properly depicted one way or another. Personally, I think of all angels as being masculin. I do this not out of some conceded sexist bias, but because men are generally stronger than women, and I don’t like thinking of angels as being weaker than me… because they’re not. The masculin character that I attribute to angels is also one that surpasses my own. By this I mean to say that the strength and singlemindedness of the weakest angel would make me look like the most effeminate man who ever lived if those attributes were all that masculinity is.

As for the representation of angels as females being wrong… I don’t think it is. I would say, rather, that it is a deficient representation. It may, as someone said in one of the previous posts, be appropriate in a case where the compassion of the angel in question is being emphasized. Biblically, however, the roles of angels have been ones of warrior-protectors and guides with power that makes those to whom they are revealed fall on their faces in fear.

God bless,

Agricola
 
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Agricola:
Here’s a thought. The representation of angels as men has more to do with their nature than we give the artists credit for recognizing. Especially in the case of St Michael, who faught Satan and cast him out of heaven, his representation in art and in the Bible reflects his nature.

Angels are powerful creatures. They are incorporeal (no bodies) also, and have no sex. However, “no sex” does not mean that the character with which God endowed them when they were brought into being is not more properly depicted one way or another. Personally, I think of all angels as being masculin. I do this not out of some conceded sexist bias, but because men are generally stronger than women, and I don’t like thinking of angels as being weaker than me… because they’re not. The masculin character that I attribute to angels is also one that surpasses my own. By this I mean to say that the strength and singlemindedness of the weakest angel would make me look like the most effeminate man who ever lived if those attributes were all that masculinity is.

As for the representation of angels as females being wrong… I don’t think it is. I would say, rather, that it is a deficient representation. It may, as someone said in one of the previous posts, be appropriate in a case where the compassion of the angel in question is being emphasized. Biblically, however, the roles of angels have been ones of warrior-protectors and guides with power that makes those to whom they are revealed fall on their faces in fear.

God bless,

Agricola
I respect your position on this, but I think it’s wrong to say that men are stronger than women. They are physically stronger than women, but not necessarily objectively stronger in other senses. Women have a strength of their own that is proper to their sex. An angel with the strengths of a woman would be properly depicted as feminine. An angel with the strengths of a man would be properly depicted as masculine. Besides, as other posters have pointed out, angels have been depicted as feminine in the Bible, and Mary is considered “Queen of Heaven.” I think that makes her stronger than you. 😛
 
Kristina P.:
I respect your position on this, but I think it’s wrong to say that men are stronger than women. They are physically stronger than women, but not necessarily objectively stronger in other senses. Women have a strength of their own that is proper to their sex. An angel with the strengths of a woman would be properly depicted as feminine. An angel with the strengths of a man would be properly depicted as masculine. Besides, as other posters have pointed out, angels have been depicted as feminine in the Bible, and Mary is considered “Queen of Heaven.” I think that makes her stronger than you. 😛
No doubt, women have strength, and greater strength than men in areas proper to their sex… but that is exactly my point if you recall. Since we were talking about the differences between the genders and the representation of angels as either female or male based upon the characteristics thereof, I assumed that all would understand my use of the term “stronger” to be in reference to physical strength. As you recognized in your post, this physical strength is more proper to men than to women.

No doubt that Mary is a more powerful mediator than I, but if she were here, and she didn’t have any Divine aid, I bet I could beat her in an arm wrestling match. 😉

God bless,

Agricola
 
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Catholic29:
Being they consist of pure spirit, do angels really have gender?:confused:

Gender is for nouns - not people.​

Differentiation by sexual characteristics is for [part of] the animal kingdom; including the primate known as Homo sapiens sapiens, or man.

The “angels of God neither marry nor are they given in marriage”; they are not* biological* creatures; they don’t have bodies at all - not in RC doctrine at least (that the angels are sheerly spirit, was defined only in 1215 - IIRC, the Greek resistance to this idea is based on unwillingness to ascribe to the angels the same "sort" of sheerly spirit existence as God).

Talk of them as sexually differentiated or as corporeal is a concession to us humans, who are both. God is said to have arrows, a spear, a sword, and other weapons in the OT; not because He does have them, but because His revelation was for a people who were did, and who knew of gods who were depicted with them. God deals with us in terms we can understand - & necessarily so.

But God is Himself sheer Spirit - not that this tells us much: it tells us only what God is not; which is the easy part in theology. Only God knows Who He is 🙂 The Angels are both created, &, are spirits: as we are creatures of God with them, this tells us something about them. ##
 
Also, a point to consider, is that many of the angels in art we may think are females…were actually intended by the midieval or renaissance artists as long-haired, effeminate men…
 
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Agricola:
No doubt, women have strength, and greater strength than men in areas proper to their sex… but that is exactly my point if you recall. Since we were talking about the differences between the genders and the representation of angels as either female or male based upon the characteristics thereof, I assumed that all would understand my use of the term “stronger” to be in reference to physical strength. As you recognized in your post, this physical strength is more proper to men than to women.

No doubt that Mary is a more powerful mediator than I, but if she were here, and she didn’t have any Divine aid, I bet I could beat her in an arm wrestling match. 😉

God bless,

Agricola
Heh. I think I understand your point. I just don’t view all angels as having masculine roles. Like I said earlier, it seems valid to believe that some are not necessarily warriors, and even that some have distinctly feminine roles.
 
ok,
here’s another question, in some immages of the visitation to mary, when the angel told her she was going to be pregnant; clearly this angel took a masculin form. I believe scripture says she was “troubled by his words”. But, in a lot of paintings and some advent table wreaths that have the bible charactors on it, the angel is often a beautiful blond woman. Clearly, this is a harrasy, although a very minor one and not worth much disucsstion. stuff like this really irks my husband, who’s not catholic, that’s why I’m asking. thanks 🙂
 
Kristina P.:
Heh. I think I understand your point. I just don’t view all angels as having masculine roles. Like I said earlier, it seems valid to believe that some are not necessarily warriors, and even that some have distinctly feminine roles.
I agree. My intention is not to rule out the possibility of there being angels with feminine roles. I merely observe that the limited knowledge we have of angels points to typically masculin roles for those angels which have been revealed to us.
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Agricola:
It may, as someone said in one of the previous posts, be appropriate in a case where the compassion of the angel in question is being emphasized. Biblically, however, the roles of angels have been ones of warrior-protectors and guides with power that makes those to whom they are revealed fall on their faces in fear.
Since angels could take whatever physical form that was appropriate for the task which they were assigned, there is a possibility that angels could or have appeared as female. As Daniel Marsh said, the passage in Zacharias could be interpreted so that the women with wings are angels as well as the angel the author speaks to (Zacharias is a very interesting book by the way. For someone who has some time to spend on study and prayer-driven contemplation, it is a fruitful one to read.:)).

The problem for me with the representation of angels as female lies primarily in the representation of their strength. Since angels are powerful, then their representations should be powerful. Whatever gender the artist alots the representation of an angel, it should clearly display that power. Still, a representation is not evil because it is not perfectly accurate.

Sue, I never understood pointless changes like the immasculation of Gabriel either. Though it is akin to calling God “Mother”, it is an error on a much smaller scale. Angels appear as men, but they don’t specifically tell us to refer to them using masculin terms… they just happen to have taken masculin form and roles. An artist that portrays Gabriel as female may have done so because the Annunciation seems like such an intimate relation of God’s will (at least to me it seems very intimate), and Gabriel bows down to Mary, not the other way around. If I were to represent Gabriel at that moment, he would be as a night (though perhaps not in full plate armour) kneeling before his queeen.

God bless,

Agricola
 
Hi Micheal, “But God is Himself sheer Spirit …” agreed, but

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

How is God both Male and Female?

Zechariah 5:9
Then I looked up—and there before me were two women, with the wind in their wings! They had wings like those of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between heaven and earth.
 
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