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alphonsus1 said:
I never claimed that immodest cultures do not exist
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Nor did I say you did. I simply pointed out that the claim that finding breasts erotic was “hardwired” was incorrect. And I note that you seem to have dropped that claim in your reply.
 
This is the issue. I don’t know about Louisiana, but where I live, women in the teen to 40s age range wear yoga pants out and about town all the time…winter and summer…very, very widespread.
 
alphonsus1 said:
Take our secular culture for example. Even in secular society, yoga pants lead to lustful suggestions. Our culture just glorifies this and doesn’t think there is anything wrong with thoughts (they even accept one night stands, etc).
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Tell me something. I’m about to take my children to the municipal pool. It’s hot, and I’ll be getting into the water, too. What do you suggest that I wear to accommodate your Standards?
 
From my above post, you are in grave error that the upper female region does not provoke lustful suggestions in men of all cultures.

Your evidence? That women do not cover that area of the body in certain cultures. My response: those cultures don’t care about bad thoughts. It is not that those stimuli do not have the potential, for many young males in those cultures, to provoke lustful “suggestions.”

Also, anecdotally, your post is bizarre. Am I the only man who has dubacherous friends? There have been many times where I have been with my friends who saw a woman they were very attracted to. And I look over and they are standing with their mouths open. And from experience, I can tell you, that it is not them voluntarily choosing to look. Rather, “lustful suggestions” are causing it: they do not care about bad thoughts so they were not practicing custody of their eyes, they saw a woman they were attracted to, and they were staring without even realizing that they were staring (at least for a few seconds). Am I the only one whose friends are also naturally visual (not from culture telling them to be that way)?

My evidence I posted above, that nobody has responded to!
(1) Studies have shown that there are universal beauty standards that apply cross culturally (facial symmetry, etc). This proves that male attraction has a biological component
(2) Studies that have looked at arousal patterns in men. I fully realize that showing men erotic images is highly immoral, but I have to resort to these studies to demonstrate my point. The study showed that how men responded to visual stimuli was entirely predictable: their eyes were laser focused on just a few regions of women’s bodies (the regions that should not be displayed in public, regardless of culture, without a serious reason )
(3) Pornographic content is made for men. It rarely shows the whole person, but is laser focused on genital regions (because men are hardwired to lustful suggestions when seeing these regions of the body)
(4) nature alone can put so many suggestions into the typical man aged 18-24’s brain, that, even if he was only culpable of a small percentage of those thoughts, from suggestions/ nature alone, many men can potentially commit so many mortal sins that they cannot count the number that they committed the next time that they go to confession!
 
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Here’s a range of swimwear you can choose from:
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alphonsus1 said:
you are in grave error
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Grave error? Wow. Try reading a little about basic anthropology. Even in current American culture it is not universal for sighted adult heterosexual males to be incited to lustful thoughts by cleavage or even fully exposed breasts. I am done with this “discussion”.
 
That is a claim I never made. Every post is worded “great majority of young males. Not universal.” I never claimed that it was universal. There are rare exceptions of men who have never struggled with lust addictions/ lustful suggestions. But 75-80 percent of men aged 18-24 watched pornography in the last month. Also, 95 percent of guys do not wait until marriage, showing how rare this is indeed to find a guy that doesn’t struggle with unwanted thoughts.
 
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Fast forward to 2040 when CAF thread will mock restricting women swimwear with a photo line up of thongs…
 
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