Are Gay Pride festivals immoral?

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garyfigurski said:
This is an area where the much talk is needed. Is being gay a choice? Is two people of the same sex, that love each other and lead a moral life wrong?
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I am sure that if you want to discuss this topic, you will find no shortage of participants. Homosexuality is a perennial issue here at CAF. :o

The Catholic Church is silent on whether being homosexual is a choice, or whether it is innate. However, the Church clearly teaches that homosexual activity is immoral. I won’t beat you with the relevant citation from the Catechism, since I assume you know it. But if not, I will supply it.
garyfigurski said:
Jesus law is a law of love not hate.I really think this an area that only God himself can answer.
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I can appreciate that view. Of course, it does go against the teachings of the Catholic Church. A fundamental tenet of the Church is that its Magisterium is infallible on matters of faith and morals.
 
Miss_Linda said:
I wish there were Catholic Pride festivals! 🙂
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All it takes are people interested enough to organize them. Of course, local parishes often hold annual festivals, but if you want something grander it might take more work.
 
Livingthedream said:
I went to gay pride in Toronto. Some co-workers invited me. At first I was really nervous and afraid, but ventually I loosened up and had a lot of fun.

I met a lot of nice people. I don’t know if it’s immoral, but I kinda liked it.
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I’m not sure what the Toronto gay pride is like, but I attended the one in San Francisco once. Some elements in the parade were not family friendly, which is unfortunate since it is hard to avoid them as they pass by. The festival was a little better, since you could pick and choose where you went.

Locally, we have a pride festival, but not a parade. And its much tamer than in San Francisco - no worries about family unfriendliness. Which city’s gay pride you attend, and whether you attend the parade or the festival may make a difference as to what you are exposed to.

I can see the point in supporting a minority community, and feeling good about them feeling good. Still, gay pride tends to assume sexual activity, and the Church condemns homosexual acts. Attending a pride essentially is lending support, and thus encouragement, to such activity. On some level this is would be considered sinful, although I am uncertain about the degree of the offense.
 
Miss_Linda said:
I wish there were Catholic Pride festivals! 🙂
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Why yes…yes there are!

Diocese of Arlington, VA

Catholic Heritage Festival
When
Saturday, Oct 2, 2010
Where
Bull Run, VA (map)
[maps.google.com/maps?q=Bull+Run,+VA+&hl=en](http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Bull+Run,+VA+&hl=en)
 
I also personally think they are immoral as they basically celebrate a sinful act.
 
coolcatholicguy said:
I also personally think they are immoral as they basically celebrate a sinful act.
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When I went to gay pride, I decided to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and assumed everyone was chaste, unless evidence came to my attention that they weren’t chaste…like when they were kissing n’ stuff.

When I saw that, I’d do my best to avert my eyes and then I’d say a little prayer asking God to forgive them and to give me strength in not looking again.
 
garyfigurski said:
This is an area where the much talk is needed. Is being gay a choice? Is two people of the same sex, that love each other and lead a moral life wrong? Jesus law is a law of love not hate.I really think this an area that only God himself can answer.
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Jesus also tells us that if we love Him, we will follow His commandments. One of which is that He told His disciples, whoever hears you hears me. And if clearly, the Apostles wrote against and preached against homosexuality lifestyles.
Livingthedream said:
When I went to gay pride, I decided to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and assumed everyone was chaste, unless evidence came to my attention that they weren’t chaste…like when they were kissing n’ stuff.

When I saw that, I’d do my best to avert my eyes and then I’d say a little prayer asking God to forgive them and to give me strength in not looking again.
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There are other events to go to, so I would suggest to avoid going back to them. It is not only a moral issue, but also political, social, and legal issues involved. The general premise of a “gay pride” festival is to promote the mainstream integration of the gay lifestyle.
 
I think it depends. Is it okay to be gay? Yes. Can you be proud of being gay. Sure. But it is immoral to commit homosexual acts.

However, it has been my obversation that these gay pride parades are not really about living a chaste lifestyle while dealing with SSA.

There are some very lengthy homosexual celebrations in NZL. We even have something called “boobs on bikes” parade where strippers and porn stars ride topless on motorcycles down public streets in the middle of the day. There is often a strong homosexual presence at these events.

You guys think you have problems? Don’t be in NZL when the Apocalypse bows up.
 
Livingthedream said:
When I went to gay pride, I decided to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and assumed everyone was chaste, unless evidence came to my attention that they weren’t chaste…like when they were kissing n’ stuff.

When I saw that, I’d do my best to avert my eyes and then I’d say a little prayer asking God to forgive them and to give me strength in not looking again.
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How can you assume they are chaste? Do you think chaste homosexuals actually participate?
 
vera_dicere said:
I think it depends. Is it okay to be gay? Yes. Can you be proud of being gay. Sure.
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That is disordered. To be proud of having a mental disorder makes no sense. As I said above, it would be the equivalent of having a “depression pride” festival. This is clearly wrong, for a mental disorder is an ontological evil (even if it’s not a moral evil). That is, by being proud of having a mental disorder, one loves an evil, that is, a good (attraction to the opposite sex) where that good ought to be, and loves a disordered “good” itself (attraction to the same sex).
 
garyfigurski said:
This is an area where the much talk is needed. Is being gay a choice? Is two people of the same sex, that love each other and lead a moral life wrong? Jesus law is a law of love not hate.I really think this an area that only God himself can answer.
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He already has through his prophets and apostles. Homosexuality if a sin and a mortal sin at that.
 
IntegraCatholic said:
That is disordered. To be proud of having a mental disorder makes no sense. As I said above, it would be the equivalent of having a “depression pride” festival. This is clearly wrong, for a mental disorder is an ontological evil (even if it’s not a moral evil). That is, by being proud of having a mental disorder, one loves an evil, that is, a good (attraction to the opposite sex) where that good ought to be, and loves a disordered “good” itself (attraction to the same sex).
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You misunderstand what I said,

Notice I said it was okay to be gay, as it is okay to have depression. One with depression can seek care for their condition, but its not wrong that they have depression.

Can a person be proud of being gay? Sure.

Sure doesn’t mean yes. It means, sure, some people can be proud of being gay. Just as some people ar proud of some of the other twisted things they get up to in the secular world.
 
vera_dicere said:
Notice I said it was okay to be gay, as it is okay to have depression. One with depression can seek care for their condition, but its not wrong that they have depression.
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Fair enough, I never said one nor the other was wrong.
Can a person be proud of being gay? Sure.
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Sure doesn’t mean yes. It means, sure, some people can be proud of being gay. Just as some people ar proud of some of the other twisted things they get up to in the secular world.
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No one is debating whether someone can be. Yes, someone can be proud of having a mental disorder that makes him attracted to the same sex. May he? Not without sin, it seems. It seems to be sinful to be proud of (celebrate) something that is disordered (an ontological evil), particularly when that ontological evil leads to greater and more perverse occasions of sin than would be there without the ontological evil and when it leads to an improper love of neighbor.
 
How do you know the act is a choice? Have you a vision and spoke to God? There is much disagreement even among doctors and experts in the field. The Bible is the INSPIRED word of God. The authors did not take dictation. We as members of the Church need to pray to the Holy Spirit will guide us, not make rash statements either way.
 
garyfigurski said:
How do you know the act is a choice? Have you a vision and spoke to God? There is much disagreement even among doctors and experts in the field. The Bible is the INSPIRED word of God. The authors did not take dictation. We as members of the Church need to pray to the Holy Spirit will guide us, not make rash statements either way.
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The act he is speaking about is the mortal sin of sodomy, which is always choice.
 
CHOICE hmm You missed what I said. Did you choose be straight and who you are? Or did you grow and develop and be encouraged to be WHO YOU ARE . It is also written WE ARE NOT TO JUDGE. Let God .
 
There are a lot of factors that influence homosexuality: upbringing, society, mental state (whether someone is afflicted with the disorder that makes him attracted to the same sex), some choice, etc.

Yes, we are to judge what is and is not sinful. We are not to judge what happens to the soul of such-and-such an individual. We can wholeheartedly say: Anyone who commits the mortal sin of sodomy will be damned forever in hell unless he repent and confess his sin before his death.
 
Again I will say, IT IS GOD NOT YOU TO JUDGE WHAT IS AND IS NOT SINFUL. Even our Holy Catholic Church , and our most Holy Father looks to the Holy Spirit and Our Lord to guide them through the end of time.W e as men make errors in judgment eg The trial of St. Joan of Arc! Again all I say is pray pray pray and judge what is a sin for YOURSELF.
 
IntegraCatholic said:
The act he is speaking about is the mortal sin of sodomy, which is always choice.
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And yet so many people refuse to consider this fact.

garyfigurski
Again I will say, IT IS GOD NOT YOU TO JUDGE WHAT IS AND IS NOT SINFUL. Even our Holy Catholic Church , and our most Holy Father looks to the Holy Spirit and Our Lord to guide them through the end of time.W e as men make errors in judgment eg The trial of St. Joan of Arc! Again all I say is pray pray pray and judge what is a sin for YOURSELF.
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To the contrary. We MUST judge the sinful and criminal acts of others. What we cannot judge is the state of their souls.

There is a difference. We absolutely need some common sense here, and also stay loyal to the actual teachings of the Church, not personal interpretation.

And what does St. Joan have to do with the mortal sin of sodomy?
 
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