Are gays allowed in the Orthodox churches?

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TheBreak said:
Hold on, does using the capital letters means I wanna have fight?! When I use the capital letters I try to make you focus on the important points in my comment.
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Online it does not come across as making a point, it comes across as yelling. You may not intend that, but that is how all caps reads. Try underlining if you want to make a point.
 
PietroPaolo said:
Online it does not come across as making a point, it comes across as yelling. You may not intend that, but that is how all caps reads. Try underlining if you want to make a point.
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Thank you so very much for the information.

May God bless you 🙂
 
TheBreak said:
Hold on, does using the capital letters means I wanna have fight?! When I use the capital letters I try to make you focus on the important points in my comment.
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Underlining, bold, or italics would work better for that.
 
TheBreak said:
Thank you so very much for the information.

May God bless you 🙂
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Don’t go too heavy on the underlining though, you’ll end up coming across as angry again. 😉 Usually, you can trust people to get your point even without drawing extra attention to it.
 
PietroPaolo said:
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  1. Your big on human rights, which is great. But if there is no God, then there can be no human rights either. Human rights become something merely given out by the State and what the State giveth the State can taketh away…
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this is not necessarily true. the French revolution was founded on the idea that rights do not emanate from the state, but from natural right, see,* Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen.* you may not agree, but not everyone accepts a divine source for human rights.

F/
 
So after all these answers I see that gays attending the mass at Orthodox church without eating from the host is okay, however, discrimination against gays is also okay. Well, at this time I don’t find better than the Catholic church where the vatican asked to treat LGBT with harmony and as human beings but at the same time stand up for the bible’s values. Thank you guys for making the decision easier for me, because last thing I want is to follow Church where it is okay to discriminate LGBT people.

May God bless you all and bless his church and guide us to his will. Amen.
 
TheBreak said:
“pick up a fight” Oh really!!! because all gays who come to the church wants to “pick up a fight”. Okay, next time I see my gay friends I will tell them DO NOT ENTER ANY CHURCH BECAUSE THEY WILL THINK YOU ARE GOING TO “PICK UP A FIGHT” Jesus thinks that you are going to him because you want to pick up a fight.
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I’m talking about you and you alone.

Please point me to the post on this thread where any of us have said any of your screaming (CAPS) allegations.

I suggest you read the link on my previous post. If you are angry, re-read all these posts. Walk around, breath and then re-read the posts again. We should not be the recipients of your anger and frustration. We are actually engaging you in conversation, or attempting to. There’s a saying that goes: “Don’t bite the hand that feeds you”. In a similar fashion, don’t scream at those who are talking to you and don’t make false allegations, we shall not bear false witness.
 
Isaiah45_9 said:
I’m talking about you and you alone.

Please point me to the post on this thread where any of us have said any of your screaming (CAPS) allegations.

I suggest you read the link on my previous post. If you are angry, re-read all these posts. Walk around, breath and then re-read the posts again. We should not be the recipients of your anger and frustration. We are actually engaging you in conversation, or attempting to. There’s a saying that goes: “Don’t bite the hand that feeds you”. In a similar fashion, don’t scream at those who are talking to you and don’t make false allegations, we shall not bear false witness.
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I apologize, Yes I was angry but I didn’t mean to use the capital letter to yell. In my native language we don’t have capital or small letters, so we don’t even know when you are angry online or not unless you used bad words.

Gays are getting killed everyday, also kicked out of schools, not just that, but also raped by police men, lesbians get raped in jail because they think that will turn them straight. sometimes any guy look gay or girl look lesbian will not be allowed to enter a mall.

In Iraq last year about 100 guy who looked gay got killed and people did nothing about it, the way they were killed is by chasing them and when these men catch the gay guy, they will hold him to the ground front the people and then get big brick and through it hardly on his head several times and then leave his body there and leave and no one do something. like what happened to this guy.

http://www.documentingreality.com/f...killed-muslims-because-his-american-jeans.jpg

Now, is that what Jesus Christ wants to see? This is why I get angry when some say ignorant comment like s/he is okay with discrimination gays. What more do they want than the guy who is in the picture?!

Anyway, The thread is over and in the end thank you guy for your help.

God bless you
 
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Life is precious. No other death is as unjust than that of our Lord.

He understands and knows everything.

In Him we are saved.
 
TheBreak said:
Please what I’m going to say is not to you but it is to every person who saying what you saying.

WHO ARE YOU?! To decide when this or that person will stop doing what they are doing, WHO ARE YOU?! To tell a person, look if you stopped doing this you are welcome. WHO ARE YOU to put yourself in God’s place. WHO ARE YOU?! To act like a boss for people’s lives. Let God judge NOT you.
Please please Christians DO NOT fall in the same trick where the Jews fell when Jesus come to earth, because most of us are going that way.

If I was priest, I would welcome everybody, yes I will tell them ONCE that what they are doing is not right and THAT IS IT. I’m not going to shut the Church’s door as if I’m saint of saints and look down to them.I will let them come to the church and who knows when that person will get a second thought, and if s/he didn’t until they died then LET GOD deal with them, not you.

End of the story.

PS: I might sound angry because I’m. One of the most things I hate when ignorant talking as if s/he saint and God put him/her judge to decide who and who not allowed in the church, PLEASE stop crucifying the Christ again, because you are doing that, you who you think you are GOD.
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Nice little rank, but two issues I have with it:
  1. you read far more into the comment than was written
  2. you didn’t address the question - for what purpose would he/she (someone actively sinning & with no desire to be healed) want to attend an Orthodox (or Catholic) Church?
 
In the Byzantine liturgy we pray for people who serve, who sing; and those who enter this holy house, with the fear of God. Plus, last I checked, there wasn’t any sign indicating no one was welcomed, at either a Catholic, or Orthodox parish I visit, or attend.
 
I am glad you are having compassion for a group of people who are suffering discrimination somewhere in the world.

Inside any church, there will be black sheep. Jesus said that the wheat and the weeds grow up together, do not pull out the weeds because the wheat will come up as well. There are all kinds of people in the pews, and they are there, hearing the word of God every Sunday. If you want to decide which church you should go to, decide by what that church teaches, not by the people who sit in the pews. If someone doesn’t like another group of people, then guess what, they really do need to be there and pray, and over time their hearts might change.

What church will you go to? Look to what it teaches and decide from that. Pray for the grumpy people, the ones that aren’t very likeable. Maybe they are having a bad day, and one day it might be you having a bad day and someone will smile and be kind to you.
 
ComeHome2Rome said:
The Church is a hospital to heal our spiritual (& sometimes physical) infirmaties. If someone is sick with the spiritual disease of actively practicing homosexual acts but does NOT want to be healed, then why in the world would he/she want to go to an Orthodox (or Catholic) Church? To what purpose, to what end, would such a person choose to go to an Orthodox Church, if not to be healed?
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I agree with this…👍👍
 
ComeHome2Rome said:
The Church is a hospital to heal our spiritual (& sometimes physical) infirmaties. If someone is sick with the spiritual disease of actively practicing homosexual acts but does NOT want to be healed, then why in the world would he/she want to go to an Orthodox (or Catholic) Church? To what purpose, to what end, would such a person choose to go to an Orthodox Church, if not to be healed?
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Perhaps out of mere curiosity, or out of a spiritual impulse that is subconscious but is a first step to conversion, or to satisfy a friend’s request, or because he is an artist or musician and does not discriminate when it comes to sources of inspiration, or etc. etc. etc.
 
As someone who attends Catholic mass regularly but does not receive communion, I just want to jump in and address some questions that are being asked.

Some people are asking why you would want to go to church if you have no intention of being healed. For me, it’s because I feel at home in the Catholic church and am trying to find the truth. Sometimes I disagree with Catholic teaching. But I want to hear what is said and grow closer to God. And maybe I’ll learn that Catholic teaching is right and I’m wrong. That won’t happen if I’m not attending mass. You also have to understand that it’s not necessarily “not wanting to be healed.” It’s a question of, “Is my opinion really wrong? Do I need to be healed?”

On the issue of homosexuality - You have to understand that a lot of people truly believe that those who speak out against homosexuality are prejudiced. They do not see supporting homosexuality as being wrong. They really really believe that it is the right thing to do. Accepting that something you have always thought is right is wrong is difficult to do. It’s not that people think homosexuality is just “okay” or “wrong, but not too wrong.” They believe that supporting homosexuality is a duty, because to not support equal rights would be prejudiced, wrong, and sinful. This is something I grew up believing and never thought to doubt.

I think that some older Catholics find this hard to understand, since they grew up in a time where homosexuality was generally presumed to be sinful. Times have changed, and the general perception, particularly among young people, is that being anti-homosexuality in any way is wrong the way that being racist is wrong. This is how we grow up.

Within the past year, I have grown closer to the church, and I have gained respect for the Catholic opinion on the issue. It is hard for me to accept, but I am now leaning towards thinking that homosexual behavior is sinful. (I have different opinions on whether or not civil homosexual marriage should be legalized, but that’s another issue that I have presented my opinions on in several threads.) However, I can completely understand why it is hard for people to grasp that viewpoint.

I’m not Orthodox, but I can’t see why it wouldn’t be okay to encourage someone who supported homosexuality to come to the church. Maybe they will come to change their mind after attending masses. Maybe they will come closer to their faith. Even if they don’t change their mind, maybe they will become more faithful in other ways. Isn’t it healthy to encourage prayer and mass attendance? We’re all sinners.
 
TheBreak said:
As human being and as human rights activist, I’m so disgust from you IGNORANT anti christian comment. “allowed for any istitution to discrimintae!!” ARE YOU SERIOUS? 7 countries in the world where being gay means DEATH. more then tens of countries where being gay can get you to jail and you still think of other discrimination. just disgusting, disgusting, disgusting. no wonder why easter europe still in the dark ages, now I see why.
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I think your outrage is unjustified and a little too pre-emptive. If we are to be ultra inclusive and not discrimate at all then the church ceases to exist. The church cannot forbid (if we cannot discriminate) Arrians, Homosexual advocates and practicers, Protestants with starkly un-orthodox theology from entering the church. Do I advocate for their deaths? Of course not despite your assumption. Private institutions it seems to me ought have the ability to discriminate and not serve or allow membership for any reason.
 
TheBreak said:
As human being and as human rights activist, I’m so disgust from you IGNORANT anti christian comment. “allowed for any istitution to discrimintae!!” ARE YOU SERIOUS? 7 countries in the world where being gay means DEATH. more then tens of countries where being gay can get you to jail and you still think of other discrimination. just disgusting, disgusting, disgusting. no wonder why easter europe still in the dark ages, now I see why.
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When I married my wife, I was discriminating against all other women. When I bought my jeep, I was discriminating against all other vehicle manufacturers. Trivial, yes, but making the point that we all discriminate, and discrimination is not always a pejorative.

I am Missouri Synod Lutheran, and since you haven’t set up a thread regarding us on this issue, the LCMS has doors open to all, all who, guided by the Spirit, wish to be in communion with us. To be in communion with us, one is expected to accept the doctrinal and moral teachings of the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod.
Based on scripture, we view homosexual behavior as sin, just as we view heterosexual behavior outside of marriage as sin. Whether homosexual or heterosexual, we come to worship seeking forgiveness of sins, through Baptism, confession/Absolution, and through the Lord’s Supper.
If one believes that these sexual practices are not sin, then I would say that they probably need to discriminate against us, by seeking worship opportunities somewhere else, somewhere that holds, what we believe to be, a heterodox view regarding them.

Jon
 
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