Are ghosts real?

[7rosario]

Okay, but is this theoretically impossible? What if God allows it?

Perhaps the damned can with permission of God, bilocate, suffering in hell and possessing someone on Earth at the same time.

A section from a writing on Hell by St. Anthony Maria Claret:

No Relief

Picture in Hell a place where there are three reprobates. The first is plunged in a lake of sulfuric fire, the second is chained to a large rock and is being tormented by two devils, one of whom continually pours molten lead down his throat while the other spills it all over his body, covering him from head to foot. The third reprobate is being tortured by two serpents, one of which wraps around the man’s body and cruelly gnaws on it, while the other enters within the body and attacks the heart. Suppose God is moved to pity and grants a short respite.
The first man, after the passage of a thousand years is drawn from the lake and receives the relief of a drink of cool water, and at the end of an hour is cast again into the lake. The second, after a thousand years, is released from his place and allowed to rest, but after an hour is again returned to the same torment. The third, after a thousand years, is delivered from the serpents; but after an hour of relief, is again abused and tormented by them. Ah, how little this consolation would be – to suffer a thousand years and to rest only one hour.
However, Hell does not even have that much relief. One burns always in those dreadful flames and** never receives any relief for all eternity.** He is forever gnawed and stricken with remorse, and will never have a rest for all eternity. He will suffer always a very ardent thirst and never receive the refreshment of a sip of water for all eternity. He will see himself always abhorred by God and will never enjoy a single tender glance from Him for all eternity. He will find himself forever cursed by heaven and Hell, and will never receive a single gesture of friendship.
It is an essential misfortune of Hell that everything will be without relief, without remedy, without interruption, without end, eternal.

 

[piouswoman]

then why do we read the OT? its is the then and now…NT fulfils the OT and there for it is reasonably sane and right for a Catholic to have the Star of David as he/she so chooses.

Havent we been oover this already?

You are completely and totally wrong. The Star of David is a JEWISH SYMBOL. We are ROMAN CATHOLICS. The symbol of Judaism has NO PLACE ON THE SIGNATURE OF A ROMAN CATHOLIC.
In case you are not aware of it…the Jews REJECT Jesus Christ as the Messiah. So to use a Star of David, a JEWISH SYMBOL, on one’s signature is an example of the sick modernist mush that has permeated the minds of Catholics thanks to the liberals of the Second Vatican Council. It is false ecumenism ON ALL COUNTS. Please, don’t try to use the OT/NT argument in this blatant, out and out ridiculous attempt to rationalize an error.

 

[vz71]

I don’t think Judas would have a break from an eternal seperation from God even if he did possess someone. And who can say God wouldn’t allow such a thing?

Why would anyone take the word of something that is possessing someone?

Judas…Sam…Fred…etc. Who knows what the name really is or was. The fact of the possession tells us straight away that this thing cannot be trusted.

So why do we lend any credibility at all when it mentions Judas?

 

[Conservative]

That’s a beautiful picture of the Sacred Heart. Does anyone know exactly when and where it originated? I mean the Sacred Heart. I understand the significance just not where it came from.

Great minds think alike, Holden ! It is beautiful.
I was going to ask 7rosario the same thing but delayed asking.

Not only am I curious where that came from - but I had similar question awhile back. In putting the words “religious icons” in search engine, I’d come across a site that (while it included many religious ones) there were many NON-religious ones, as well. Matter of fact, some near-pornographic. Has anyone come across sites like these?

 

[Brennan_Doherty]

Why would anyone take the word of something that is possessing someone?

Judas…Sam…Fred…etc. Who knows what the name really is or was. The fact of the possession tells us straight away that this thing cannot be trusted.

So why do we lend any credibility at all when it mentions Judas?

Well, it wasn’t Sam or Fred I assure you. I’m not saying that it was actually Judas, I don’t know. However, in general exorcists command and force the possessing entity to give its name as that helps them to cast it out. I merely assert that it is not theoretically impossible for one of the possessing entities to have been a damned soul.

 

[holdencaulfield]

You are completely and totally wrong. The Star of David is a JEWISH SYMBOL. We are ROMAN CATHOLICS. The symbol of Judaism has NO PLACE ON THE SIGNATURE OF A ROMAN CATHOLIC.
In case you are not aware of it…the Jews REJECT Jesus Christ as the Messiah. So to use a Star of David, a JEWISH SYMBOL, on one’s signature is an example of the sick modernist mush that has permeated the minds of Catholics thanks to the liberals of the Second Vatican Council. It is false ecumenism ON ALL COUNTS. Please, don’t try to use the OT/NT argument in this blatant, out and out ridiculous attempt to rationalize an error.

Oh I see where this is going. Guess what I don’t like Vatican II either. I profess to hold the same faith as David so there. That’s it ok. By the way I’m insanely conservative with my beliefs in religion.

 

[holdencaulfield]

Great minds think alike, Holden ! It is beautiful.
I was going to ask 7rosario the same thing but delayed asking.

Not only am I curious where that came from - but I had similar question awhile back. In putting the words “religious icons” in search engine, I’d come across a site that (while it included many religious ones) there were many NON-religious ones, as well. Matter of fact, some near-pornographic. Has anyone come across sites like these?

No, that’s sickening. Try a strict safe search. Often people think it’s funny to be blasphemous.

 

[da_nolo]

I’d agree that demons appear as ghosts, to make people doubt Catholicism’s explanation of the after life.

Isn’t it a dogma that a damned is static in hell and can’t get out ever? I’m not sure but if you can quote a dogmatic sentence in this matter it’d be helpful.

I dont really understand this…if I saw a ghost it would prove one final slap to my face…what I mean is that there wouldn’t really be any doubt. Now I believe in the spirit of coarse and thats due to the backing of martial arts and what the spirit…what it expresses. Not just through faith…for it shows that many unexplained or badly explained thoughts or feelings are incredibly noted as spirit. But ofcoarse the spirit was taught to me and I strongly do believe that there is a spirit due to God’s greatness.

 

[Goth_Catholic]

You are completely and totally wrong. The Star of David is a JEWISH SYMBOL. We are ROMAN CATHOLICS. The symbol of Judaism has NO PLACE ON THE SIGNATURE OF A ROMAN CATHOLIC.
In case you are not aware of it…the Jews REJECT Jesus Christ as the Messiah. So to use a Star of David, a JEWISH SYMBOL, on one’s signature is an example of the sick modernist mush that has permeated the minds of Catholics thanks to the liberals of the Second Vatican Council. It is false ecumenism ON ALL COUNTS. Please, don’t try to use the OT/NT argument in this blatant, out and out ridiculous attempt to rationalize an error.

By being Catholics, we are Jewish-Christians.

 

[da_nolo]

You are completely and totally wrong. The Star of David is a JEWISH SYMBOL. We are ROMAN CATHOLICS. The symbol of Judaism has NO PLACE ON THE SIGNATURE OF A ROMAN CATHOLIC.
In case you are not aware of it…the Jews REJECT Jesus Christ as the Messiah. So to use a Star of David, a JEWISH SYMBOL, on one’s signature is an example of the sick modernist mush that has permeated the minds of Catholics thanks to the liberals of the Second Vatican Council. It is false ecumenism ON ALL COUNTS. Please, don’t try to use the OT/NT argument in this blatant, out and out ridiculous attempt to rationalize an error.

As you are unaware of it WE are the cause and betrayers that put Jesus on that Cross! It is our sins and to blame the people of the day and only them is incredibly ignorant and racist! stop your stupid thoughts and hate for the Jews our brotheren if not cousins.
Also! To use the Star of David is and very well could be symbolism for the relations between OT and NT, which there plainly is! Along with the existing relation between Catholics and Jews (which there clearly is). Therefore it is not an error, nor a wrong…but in your racist and ignorant views…especially to blame the second vatican of being libral through your own greedy eyes. You are blind! filled with anger and greed, towards what is not even present of any anger in return nor crime that you have so wrongully suggested.

Star of David was and still is a symbol that was present for the people of God! There is and will always be that relation. It will never die out with another.

 

[da_nolo]

Well, it wasn’t Sam or Fred I assure you. I’m not saying that it was actually Judas, I don’t know. However, in general exorcists command and force the possessing entity to give its name as that helps them to cast it out. I merely assert that it is not theoretically impossible for one of the possessing entities to have been a damned soul.

I have heard that damned souls becoms demons, but this doesnt make sense when fallen angels are demons right?
Perhaps there is a fallen angel of the name Judas?

 

[Brother_John]

Is there such a thing as ghosts?

Sorry, I thought you said goats…

 

[Hastrman]

I have heard that damned souls becoms demons, but this doesnt make sense when fallen angels are demons right?
Perhaps there is a fallen angel of the name Judas?

No, but Serbs consider him the father of all vampires (this was used, with mixed results, in the movie “Dracula 2000”–although they just used good ol’ Romanian pricolici Dracula, rather than the Serb variant on the Slavic upir).

As for ghosts, it seems asinine to deny their existence when there’s so much evidence, both testimonial and, indeed, scientific–the only people that do are doctrinaire materialists, who do so solely on the basis of their irrational dogmas. The wisest attitude to ghosts is agnosticism tending to the affirmative, although skepticism of any particular haunting is probably best.

 

[holdencaulfield]

By being Catholics, we are Jewish-Christians.

Thanks.

 

[holdencaulfield]

Ok new direction for this thread.

Are vampires real?

 

[Goth_Catholic]

Ok new direction for this thread.

Are vampires real?

Depends on how you look at it. Is the blood sucking, undead, evil being who can turn into a bat, burn in sunlight, and burnt by crosses and holy water, real? No. But evil does walk among us.

 

[Hastrman]

Depends on how you look at it. Is the blood sucking, undead, evil being who can turn into a bat, burn in sunlight, and burnt by crosses and holy water, real? No. But evil does walk among us.

There are some scary, scary court documents from Austria that might beg to differ with you on whether vampires are real.

I incline to the same view of them that I do of ghosts (considering that in the real legends, they are ghosts–what Japanese parapsychology would call onryou or yuurei, hate-ghosts): they’re not impossible, lots of not-stupid people claim to have encountered them, so I must concede the possibility, while not being over-credulous of any particular story.

As for werewolves, well, I live far too close to the Navajo rez to be particularly skeptical of shapeshifting witches.

 

[Nevarlander]

As for werewolves, well, I live far too close to the Navajo rez to be particularly skeptical of shapeshifting witches.

Do tell.

 

[piouswoman]

By being Catholics, we are Jewish-Christians.

By being Catholics…we are Christian. Most Catholics are NOT Jewish in ancestry. The confusing “ecumenically correct by Vatican II standards” statement that you made is simply laughable.

God chose the Jews as the people among whom the promised Saviour would live; for this reason we call the Jews the “chosen people”. God prepared them for the coming of the Saviour: by heavy trials, by severe laws, by miracles, by prophecies.

The selection of the Jews did not mean rejection by God of the other nations. Every renewal of God’s promise recalled blessings in which all were to share. Even among other nations there were just men. In Greece, Socrates spoke against the worship of idols. Holy Job lived in Arabia. The Magi were of the East. Virgil the poet prayed the* virgin-born *son to come and reign over His people.
The Saviour of all men is Jesus Christ. The Jewish religion foreshadowed the coming of the perfect religion, that established by Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Who then abrogated the Jewish Faith, the Old Law, in favor of the New Faith, the New Law.

This is basic Catechism. And to attempt to reconcile the Catholic Faith as being one and the same with the Jewish Faith is blasphemous, heretical, and scandalous.

As a side note, I too once dressed in all black all of the time with that “Gothic” mindset which is nothing more than a form of vanity and worldliness. Here is an article that you may find interesting:
traditioninaction.org/Cultural/C008cpBlack.htm

 

[piouswoman]

As you are unaware of it WE are the cause and betrayers that put Jesus on that Cross! It is our sins and to blame the people of the day and only them is incredibly ignorant and racist! stop your stupid thoughts and hate for the Jews our brotheren if not cousins.
Also! To use the Star of David is and very well could be symbolism for the relations between OT and NT, which there plainly is! Along with the existing relation between Catholics and Jews (which there clearly is). Therefore it is not an error, nor a wrong…but in your racist and ignorant views…especially to blame the second vatican of being libral through your own greedy eyes. You are blind! filled with anger and greed, towards what is not even present of any anger in return nor crime that you have so wrongully suggested.

Star of David was and still is a symbol that was present for the people of God! There is and will always be that relation. It will never die out with another.

And you are not Catholic. Please study your professed faith.