Are Good Works Necessary For Salvation?

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The theif on the cross did not have “good works” yet Jesus assured him he would be in paradise.

We are saved by the grace of God, not by our own merits.

However, as Christians we are called by God to do certaint things… Love Him with our whole heart, and love our neighbors as ourselves. Love requires action… so until He calls us home, we have work to do.
I think the good thief also did a “good work” while he was on the cross. Because when the other thief said to our Lord: “If thou be Christ, save thyself, and us,” the good thief rebuked him and spoke in Christ’s defence, saying: “Neither dost thou fear God, seeing thou art under the same condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done no evil” (Luke 23:40-41).

The reason he is traditionally called the “good thief” is because he did a good work just before he died.

Having said that, I also agree that our salvation is a free gift, and is not due to any merit on our part. We did not merit the fact that the Son of God became human to save us from our sins. Indeed all our good actions also spring from God’s grace. Even the “good work” done by the good thief was done because of a prior act of grace on God’s part. Why one thief received grace and was saved, but the other was not, is a mystery that belongs to the inscrutableness of God’s Will.

So, are good works necessary for salvation? I say yes, but even such works spring from the action of God’s grace in our souls.
 
Ephesians 2:8-9 (NKJV)

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

It is not necessary… good works are not the reasons for someone’s salvation. the REASON IS GRACE OF GOD THROUGH OUR FAITH…Good works will definitely follow if we believe In God and Jesus… and follow the teachings of our Lord Jesus… Good work is the fruit of our obedience to God… if you say that you believe in God and not follow Him… what makes you different to Satan who also a believer of God? but out of disobedience cast out from heaven…

the best example in the Bible about how a man of GOOD WORKS… bcoz he is not willing to give up evertyhing to God…and follow Jesus… though he’s done EVERY GOOD THING…

Luke 18:18-23

Jesus Counsels the Rich Young Ruler

18 Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
19 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. 20 You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ”[a]

21 And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.”

22 So when Jesus heard these things, He said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

23 But when he heard this, he became very sorrowful, for he was very rich.
 
Ephesians 2:8-9 (NKJV)

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

It is not necessary… good works are not the reasons for someone’s salvation. the REASON IS GRACE OF GOD THROUGH OUR FAITH…Good works will definitely follow if we believe In God and Jesus… and follow the teachings of our Lord Jesus… Good work is the fruit of our obedience to God… if you say that you believe in God and not follow Him… what makes you different to Satan who also a believer of God? but out of disobedience cast out from heaven…
It is true that salvation comes by grace alone, through a living faith in our Lord Jesus. This does not mean that good works are not necessary. Because, for one to be saved, the faith has to be a living faith, one that performs good works, for as St. James says, faith without works is dead (James 2:17).
the best example in the Bible about how a man of GOOD WORKS… bcoz he is not willing to give up evertyhing to God…and follow Jesus… though he’s done EVERY GOOD THING…

Luke 18:18-23

Jesus Counsels the Rich Young Ruler

18 Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
19 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. 20 You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ”[a]

21 And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.”

22 So when Jesus heard these things, He said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

23 But when he heard this, he became very sorrowful, for he was very rich.
The cited text does not prove that good works are not necessary. What it means is that good works are not sufficient, but they are still required. If you ask a doctor: What must I do to remain healthy? And he answered, “Ah, you must eat well!” Does that mean that you will remain healthy just by eating well? Of course, not! You must also sleep well, and maybe do some exercise to remain physically fit. Eating well is necessary, but not sufficient for health. The same is true of good works. The same is true of faith alone. Both are actually necessary, but each is not sufficient of itself.
 
Ephesians 2:8-9 (NKJV)

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
here we go I was wondering how long it would take them to derail the thread. He argues as if he did not just agree that for the people going to heaven both total faith in the Christ for their salvation AND the good works Christ told them to do and showed them how to do will be present. You just said in your post that these things go together. They must go together. they are the fruits of the faith. We are called to be light, we are called to be salt, and we are called to be leaven. we are called to BE these things by Christ. They are the fruits of the faith. faith and converting the world, and works of mercy go together you just said something that meant the very same thing. Lets not get all bent about how we say it.
 
never ending arguements I believed… Satan is using the word of God for the people to have different views in each and every passage of the Bible… whatever the religion is… the most important thing is that if we have intimate relationship with God the Father through Jesus Christ. If what you believed changed you to be a better person… following Jesus in Spirit and in Truth… so be it… God bless you all… i just joined this site yesterday and no plan to continue… May Our God gives Kingdom wisdom and help everyone to open their eyes of understanding… to have a receptive hearts… for many are deceive… by false teaching and false teachers…
 
never ending arguements I believed… Satan is using the word of God for the people to have different views in each and every passage of the Bible… whatever the religion is… the most important thing is that if we have intimate relationship with God the Father through Jesus Christ. If what you believed changed you to be a better person… following Jesus in Spirit and in Truth… so be it… God bless you all… i just joined this site yesterday and no plan to continue… May Our God gives Kingdom wisdom and help everyone to open their eyes of understanding… to have a receptive hearts… for many are deceive… by false teaching and false teachers…
Satan even used the word of God to try and tempt Jesus (see Matthew chapter 4). If satan would do that to the very Son of God why would he not do that to us?
 
The thief on the cross did not have “good works” yet Jesus assured him he would be in paradise.
Actually this is not true. The “good thief” did two things that were worthy of salvation.
First - He accepted his punishment as just and placed his fate in God’s hands.
Second - he admonished the sinner in the person of the “bad thief” for his hateful words and attitude.
So even if we set aside the idea that conversion itself is a work…we have two works performed by the “good thief” in the last moments of his life.
We are saved by the grace of God, not by our own merits.
Amen.
However, as Christians we are called by God to do certain things… Love Him with our whole heart, and love our neighbors as ourselves. Love requires action… so until He calls us home, we have work to do.
Yes - 👍
The thing that we have to always keep in mind is that most teaching is speaking to the “normative”. People can and do bring up the abnormal (deathbed conversions) and some even try to extrapolate from these a-typical scenarios that if works are not necessary for this one, then works are not necessary at all. This is a deception.
In the normative sense works are a necessary part of the salvific process.

Peace
James
 
[A]nd while I accept that a good father should encourage and, if necessary, push his children to do more than they might otherwise do alone, once we get into the concept of “good works”, a horizon so vast opens up as to be uncrossable.
Look again at the wording of the parable that troubles you. It starts with building a proper relationship with God in ‘small matters’. A director of spiritual development once explained it to me this way. It is a sliding scale, with a life of selfishness on one end and life of pure service to others, the example of Jesus, on the other. No one expects you to jump to the end, or even ever reach it. Growing in faith is a series of small steps, every day, in the right direction.
Should I help the poor? Oppose abortion? Preach on street corners? If I concentrate on one of these things, am I guilty of neglecting the others?
In order to respond in another thread I recently re-read a pastoral document from the US bishops and found myself highlighting this quote:
Clearly not every Catholic can be actively involved on each of these concerns, but we need to support one another as our community of faith defends human life and dignity wherever it is threatened. We are not factions, but one family of faith fulfilling the mission of Jesus Christ.
usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship-part-one.cfm (#29)

You seem to be looking for a special formula, what, precisely, do good Catholics do to maximize their chances for salvation. But look at the parable that troubles you, we don’t all have the same gifts from God. We should all try to grow and develop in all aspects of the faith, but certain things are going to resonate more clearly with your own moral conscience, a personal connection we each have with God (CCC 1776). I, myself, feel a deep calling to the disabled and the poor. Some people very close to me have different callings, one ministers to prisoners another is very involved in hospice care for end of life.

As a collective group, Catholics need to be concerned with all these things, and more, but as the Bishops say, we can’t all do everything, so we have to support each other as a single family, fullfilling the missions of Christ.

There is a natural human tendancy to argue that the items most pressing on one’s own idividual conscience are the most pressing matters of faith, and that anyone whose calling is elsewhere is somehow less devoted or “serious” about the faith. But this is spiritual denial, not spiritual growth, both for the people making such arguments and the people they are trying to convince. Again, the bishops’ document above, quoting a Doctrinal Note from Rome:
“The Christian faith is an integral unity, and thus it is incoherent to isolate some particular element to the detriment of the whole of Catholic doctrine. A political commitment to a single isolated aspect of the Church’s social doctrine does not exhaust one’s responsibility towards the common good.” #30, quoting CDF 2002, #4
Returning to the parable you brought up. Yes, abortion is always a “grave moral disorder” (EV), but if someone takes it up as a public cause because of it’s perceived prominence in Church doctrine while they are blessed with special gifts that serve God in other ways that are left unused, who are they in the parable? Life is a very broad issue, seamlessly entwined with many Church teachings. Collectively, we need to serve and support it in every way.

It is much easier to grow in faith if you build on the parts of your own moral conscience that are already most properly developed. In other words, it is easiest to better understand God’s plan for you if you start by taking small steps in the areas that you already most clearly hear His call.
 
Not being more than 10 years in the Faith, I’m not sure about good works or alot of stuff relative to Catholicism. Today, for example, we couldn’t get to church because of icy weather. Did we sin by not going to Mass today?🤷 Also I could not give an offering to my parish because my pay has been reduced and my pay doesn’t fit my needs any more.
As noted above, missing Mass because of weather is not a sin. However, since subjective opinion is involved (how icy is too icy) and it seems to be bothering your conscience, you could address it through reconcilliation. Sometimes confession is a good opporunity to sort out conflicts of conscience.

As far as not being able to make a monetary offering, you have my prayers. I know that many people are experiencing very difficult economic times. The offering is supposed to be an opportunity to participate in something wonderful, not a weight of guilt and self recrimination. There are many other ways you can contribute to your parish, volunteering, even just extra prayers.
 
The theif on the cross did not have “good works” yet Jesus assured him he would be in paradise.
Personally, I would have to agree with a note above, the thief did good works on the spot. But even if we disagree, how could you know that the statement above is true? Does Scripture give us every moment of the man’s life?

All of us sin, we also all have the capacity for good. Even in seemingly ‘small things’, like not judging others (a Beatitude). How the balance places each of us in God’s eyes is for God alone to know.
We are saved by the grace of God, not by our own merits.
Yes, Salvation rests with God and God alone.
However, as Christians we are called by God to do certaint things… Love Him with our whole heart, and love our neighbors as ourselves. Love requires action… so until He calls us home, we have work to do.
Well said.
 
Ephesians 2:8-9 (NKJV)
I’m always pleased to see people study Ephesians, since it sort of the pinnacle of Pauline Christianity and second only to Romans as a complete theological work, while written much more clearly. When people inquire about aspects of Christianity unique to Catholicism, Ephesians is always a wonderful start.

Catholics hold that Salvation is in God’s hands, and God’s hands alone - just as St. Paul desribes it here, but look at the section you are referring to in full, not just a fragment:

We are dead from transgression and sin (Eph 2:1-2).
All of us have sinned (Eph 2:3)
But we are given life by because God’s Love gave us life with Christ (Eph 2:4-5)

What did life with Christ with Christ entail during his earthly ministry? You give an example:
Luke 18:18-23
This reads like a pretty demanding life of service to others over selfishness to me. Certainly, that his how the apostles took it. Early Christians referred to themselves as “followers of the way” (Acts) and went forth tending to the sick, helping the poor, and spreading the Gospel (“good news”), all while foresaking violence.

Please understand, Catholics have a special responsibility with regards to Holy Scripture. After all, we compiled the Bible! That is, we picked the books of the Canon. So we don’t get to pick and choose fragments now. When we read Luke 18 we can’t focus on our own definition of ‘follow’ and gloss over the giving to the poor part. We also have to take the Bible in it’s entirety. Our Church is structured as Paul describes in Romans and Ephesians and we accept that we will be judged as nations under the criteria spelled out in Matthew 25:31-46.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, self study of the Bible can be difficult because it typically involves dynamic translations of ancient texts with little or no understanding of 1st century context. The letters of Paul are especially difficult, because they are one sided correspondance in contexts that are often very difficult to understand. But if someone wants to understand things about the Catholic Church like sacraments, apostolic authority, eucharistic mystery, etc solely from the Bible; Ephesians and the three Synoptic Gospels are a great place to start.

Edit: As far as a life of service instead of selfishness and sin, Ephesians 5:1-14 has some sage advice.
 
Why not read Matthew 25:31-46 and tell us what you think.
I think it says, yes, you must do good works. But is it necessary to be Mother Teresa for your works to count as good? Or is it enough to be a loving husband, son, friend and family man? Are these good works? Or are they just what makes you feel good?
 
If I, as a credal, cradle Catholic, uphold in my life the laws of the Catholic Church and remain in communion with Her, but do no more than that, am I worthy of the Kingdom of Heaven?
Re: are good works necessary for salvation

Eph 2:
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Looking at this in the opposite then, If one has NO good works they have a dead faith and a dead faith won’t save them*.Jas 2:26]*

said another way,

If we don’t do what God created us to do, and don’t do what He prepared in advance for us to do, we will end up like the tree that didn’t bear fruit.

Matt 3:10
The ax is already at the root of the trees, every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

Lk 13:6
“A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. 7 So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’ 8 “‘Sir,’ the man replied, ‘leave it alone for one more year, and I’ll dig around it and fertilize it. 9 If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down

That’s really the point. When we don’t do what we are created to do and that God prepared in advance for us to do, good works/fruit we are violating God’s own design for us. That’s why the axe was laid to the tree, and thrown into the fire. Besides it’s not us doing the work, we’re cooperating with God working in us

Phil 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose*.*

That’s why good works are necessary for us to perform
  • It’s evidence God is working in that person.
  • It’s evidence of a saving faith.
  • It’s evidence of a justifying faith.
  • It’s evidence one is obedient to God and doing what one is created to do.
 
I think it says, yes, you must do good works. But is it necessary to be Mother Teresa for your works to count as good? Or is it enough to be a loving husband, son, friend and family man? Are these good works? Or are they just what makes you feel good?
I believe that what is needed here is a new understanding. It’s not about what "counts’…for if you start counting “good works” then you have to start counting “bad works” and then suddenly everything starts to look “quantified” and “legalistic”

Instead what is needed is the understanding that the performance of good works and the avoidance of evil works are a product of God being Lord of your heart. It is the result of Loving God, our Father and of Living a Life that would make him proud of you.
A father does not need his child to be a “Mother Teresa”. A father and mother are happy if their child is good, upright, takes care of his family, speaks well of others, raises God fearing Children, supports and/or participates in charitable works - etc…

This is what works is all about…they are not a score keeping…but rather they are evidence - mainly to ourselves - that we do truly Love God. I say they are evidence to ourselves, because it is the impulse (from Christian Love) to do good works, and to avoid evil works (sin) that lets us know we are on the right track.

So - in a larger sense it’s not about discrete works (type, quality, number etc). Rather, it is about how we live and does that life reflect our faith.

Peace
James
 
I think it says, yes, you must do good works. But is it necessary to be Mother Teresa for your works to count as good? Or is it enough to be a loving husband, son, friend and family man? Are these good works? Or are they just what makes you feel good?
Ah, but that’s not what your original question was, yes? But, if you’re a husband, and you feed your family, put a roof over their heads, see them through school, is that not feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty? Do you not visit them when they’re ill, and help them through difficult times, even discipline them when needed, so in a manner of speaking visiting them in “prison”?

Do all this in a state of grace and of course, they are meritorious. But neglect these duties and you risk sinning by omission and you could endanger your salvation.

And of course, if you’re in mortal sin, none of your good works merit to anything. You must be reconciled first for your good works to earn reward in heaven.
 
I think this is a good time to point out that the first duty off all Christians is to DO no evil. At least that is how the Catholic church has always taught it.
 
I think it says, yes, you must do good works. But is it necessary to be Mother Teresa for your works to count as good? Or is it enough to be a loving husband, son, friend and family man? Are these good works? Or are they just what makes you feel good?
My advice to you is to stop worrying about whether you have done enough to be saved and just focus on doing your best to love all those you encounter. Love in this context is doing things for others without expecting anything in return. The more you try to this, the more proficient you will get at it and it will eventually become second nature. You see, the paradox is that those who are overtly trying to get to heaven will never get there because that is not about love, that’s about earning a prize. Only those that do things strictly for love others and love for others will get there. Now to be completely other-centric requires significant grace from God and most never achieve it ( I certainly have not), but if you can understand the desire to help others, you have a fighting chance to get there. God Bless.
 
I think this is a good time to point out that the first duty off all Christians is to DO no evil. At least that is how the Catholic church has always taught it.
I don’t think so, It think the first duty of a Christian is to love and that requires action. But there is a point, that we were all made uniquely for certain tasks, and how one person loves most perfectly will be different from how another loves. Some were called to be priests, others teachers, other doers of mighty deeds…
 
I don’t think so, It think the first duty of a Christian is to love and that requires action. But there is a point, that we were all made uniquely for certain tasks, and how one person loves most perfectly will be different from how another loves. Some were called to be priests, others teachers, other doers of mighty deeds…
No the first duty of all Christians is to do no evil. Look at the 10 commandments. 8 out of 10 are prohibitory. Saying that does not mean actions are not necessary. It means you are expected to change your life so that you are doing no evil. I don’t know about you but for most people that takes radical change and a lot of work. I did not mean to say no action was necessary. I meant to say that personal holiness takes a lot of work.
 
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