Are homosexual acts still wrong provided that the Bible is not inspired?

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Okay, let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that the Bible is not inspired by God, that it represents nothing more than a collection of texts reflecting cultural and ethnic opinions since the dawning of mankind – this, of course, being the argument of some non-religious people. Provided such an assumption, can it adequately be said that based upon the generational span (4000+ years) of these texts and their acceptance since the birth of Christ (2000+ years) that homosexual acts are still wrong? or does such an argument commit the fallacy of argumentum ad populum (appeal to the people)?
 
Okay, let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that the Bible is not inspired by God, that it represents nothing more than a collection of texts reflecting cultural and ethnic opinions since the dawning of mankind – this, of course, being the argument of some non-religious people. Provided such an assumption, can it adequately be said that based upon the generational span (4000+ years) of these texts and their acceptance since the birth of Christ (2000+ years) that homosexual acts are still wrong? or does such an argument commit the fallacy of argumentum ad populum (appeal to the people)?
Sorry, but even for the sake of argument this cannot be. In order to have a valid argument/discussion you must have a valid starting point otherwise we can discuss which are nicer: The purple 3 headed flogofahns from the planet Xenerex or the green 4 headed flogofahns from the planet Calterez

Since the Bible is divinely inspired it cannot be rational to hypothesize that it is not.

However, for the sake of insane argument. If the bible were the ramblings of the Orange 2 headed flogofahns from the planet flenex then Homosexuality would still be wrong as it is against the natural order (and those Orange 2 headed flogofahns are VERY insistent that Nature be followed)
 
Okay, let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that the Bible is not inspired by God, that it represents nothing more than a collection of texts reflecting cultural and ethnic opinions since the dawning of mankind – this, of course, being the argument of some non-religious people. Provided such an assumption, can it adequately be said that based upon the generational span (4000+ years) of these texts and their acceptance since the birth of Christ (2000+ years) that homosexual acts are still wrong? or does such an argument commit the fallacy of argumentum ad populum (appeal to the people)?
The rules against homosexuality are based on reason and the natural law, and an understanding of the meaning of sexuality. It’s not based on quotes from the bible.

So, yes, it would still be wrong.
 
Okay, let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that the Bible is not inspired by God, that it represents nothing more than a collection of texts reflecting cultural and ethnic opinions since the dawning of mankind – this, of course, being the argument of some non-religious people. Provided such an assumption, can it adequately be said that based upon the generational span (4000+ years) of these texts and their acceptance since the birth of Christ (2000+ years) that homosexual acts are still wrong? or does such an argument commit the fallacy of argumentum ad populum (appeal to the people)?
No, even based on your hypothetical. Since the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth and identifies homosexual acts as sinful, we still know it is sinful. It would also be so because God’s law is written on the hearts of men.
 
It’s not based on quotes from the bible.
True, but not only are Bible verses frequently cited as support, but, similarly, the Bible is looked to as the model of social ethics assuming it is the Word of God. I am merely asking, if you take away its inspired element, does the Bible continue to provide an adequate model for social ethics or does it crumble under the strain of cultural relativism?
 
Maybe we might be able to provide you a useful answer if you might clarify a little wrong and social relativism.

Maybe my thoughts: Hobbes said the state of nature is “nasty, brutal, and short.” Sudan, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, and Iraq aren’t hot places to live right now but is there actually anything wrong with them? What makes murder wrong? Abortion? Genocide? Slavery? P.S. In my horribly imperfect and sometimes misguided and stupid knowledge, the Catholic Church figured out slavery was wrong so early, in the 1600s, hardly after the Bible was declared officially inerrant in the 1500s Council of Trent, by using natural law to reason this out. What makes cheating on a test wrong? Suicide? Destryoing the Amazon? Suicide bombing? Do we truly believe that a God exists and this God is truth, creates all truth including all science, created the world and should be loved, served, and obeyed?

Perhaps Kibeho, Rwanda is worth a look. Prior to the genocide, the Mother of the Word appeared. She said a “river of blood” would happen if people did not convert, repent, pray the Rosary, the Chaplet of Seven Sorrows, and stop committing various moral sins, such as the girls sleeping with certain men. Did a river of blood happen? This New York Times article on the Rwandan genocide documents the apparitions of Mary prior to the genocide. query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9400E4D81738F93BA35757C0A96F958260

Maybe we look at Fatima, Portugal. See a message of Mary to the three little children: The war [World War I was still raging] is going to end. But if people do not stop offending God, another and worse one will begin in the reign of Pius XI… When you shall see a night illuminated by an unknown light [on January 25-26, 1938 from 9PM to 2AM there appeared over the Northern Hemisphere a very unusual light that scared many people. The New York Times devoted almost an entire page to the event. Scientists attributed it to an exceptional aurora borealis] “know that this is the great sign that God gives you that He is going to punish the world for its many crimes by means of war, hunger and persecution of the Church and the Holy Father” [Within two months of the sign, in March of 1938, Hitler invaded his first country, Austria.] loveandmercy.org/loveandmercy/fatima.htm

New York Times article: January 26, 1938
Aurura Borealis Startles Europe; People Flee in Fear, Call Firemen; Britons Thought Windsor Castle Ablaze–Scots See Ill Omen-Snow-Clad Swiss Alps Glow–Short-Wave Radio Halts The most brilliant display of an aurora borealis in fifty years held Britons spellbound over a wide area of this country tonight. From 6:30 to 8:30 P.M. the people of London watched two magnificent arcs rising in the east and west, from which radiated pulsating beams like searchlights in dark red, greenish blue and purple. [End of First Paragraph] Buy This Article, Single Article $3.95 select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00817FB355A157A93C4AB178AD85F4C8385F9

Los Angeles Times, Jan 26, 1938 Aurora Borealis Upsets Europeans pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/743927742.html?dids=743927742:743927742&FMT=CITE&FMTS=CITE:AI&date=Jan+26%2C+1938&author=&pub=Los+Angeles+Times&desc=Aurora+Borealis+Upsets+Europeans&pqatl=google

Chicago Daily Tribune, Jan 26, 1938Aurora Borealis Glows in Widest Area Since 1709Abstract (Document Summary) Radio and telegraphic communication was disrupted and persons in many parts of the world were awed tonight as the aurora borealis [northern lights] flamed brilliantly farther south than the phenomenon ever has been seen by this generation.
pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicagotribune/access/441756312.html?dids=441756312:441756312&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&date=Jan+26%2C+1938&author=&pub=Chicago+Daily+Tribune&desc=AURORA+BOREALIS+GLOWS+IN+WIDEST+AREA+SINCE+1709&pqatl=google

Maybe we should be worried now! Mother Teresa said according to someone else’s quote, “The fruits of abortion are nuclear war.” Appartions have been happening in Conyers, Georgia to Nancy Fowler ourlovingmother.org/ where it has been stated that abortion, gay marriage, and maybe other things are wrong. The suspicion that I have is that these apparitions hint at nuclear war. The Catholic Church, to the best of my ignorant, limited, and stupid knowledge has not yet commentted on these apparitions. Maybe they are trustworthy. Maybe not. Yet, I’m not sure either that the Kibeho apparitions were deemed trustworthy until after the genocide, so I don’t really now what to think if you see my fears. :eek:

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world!

O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *
 
Okay, let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that the Bible is not inspired by God, that it represents nothing more than a collection of texts reflecting cultural and ethnic opinions since the dawning of mankind – this, of course, being the argument of some non-religious people. Provided such an assumption, can it adequately be said that based upon the generational span (4000+ years) of these texts and their acceptance since the birth of Christ (2000+ years) that homosexual acts are still wrong? or does such an argument commit the fallacy of argumentum ad populum (appeal to the people)?
Heh… yeah, I could totally buy that.

Anyways, I can safely assume that back then, when the Bible–or rather, the Old Testament–was presented to the people, there was a pretty low world population. The topics in Leviticus–things not to do–were written for health reasons (minor or major), for the most part, but the forbidden sexual acts lowered the chances of conception.

So, if the Bible was written in reflection of culture and ethics from back then, then no. Homosexuality would not be wrong in modern times, considering our current road to overpopulation.

But, that’s my take.

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood
 
Anyways, I can safely assume that back then, when the Bible–or rather, the Old Testament–was presented to the people, there was a pretty low world population. The topics in Leviticus–things not to do–were written for health reasons (minor or major), for the most part, but the forbidden sexual acts lowered the chances of conception.

So, if the Bible was written in reflection of culture and ethics from back then, then no.
Right, but let’s consider that not only was the Bible written in reflection of culture and ethics during the time it was written but that such an ethic formed the backbone for Jews for several millenia, was adopted by Christians and Muslims, and likewise was adopted as the model of sexual ethics in both East and West for several more millenia. It’s not just a question of under what social criteria the Bible was written, but that fact that it remained uncontested as a model for sexual ethics until the modern era.
 
Here’s an interesting article on how Judaism Rejected Homosexuality and the implications of this rejection;catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0003.html as well as surveying all the implications of this rejection. Highly insightful because of the logical arguments as well as the arguments derived from comparison with other civilizations plus the Jewish, rather than Christian, perspective.

May the Holy Spirit through the Immaculate Heart of Mary grace us with the gifts that we desperately need!! May the LOVE and MERCY of the Sacred Heart of Jesus be loved, adored, proclaimed, and venerated now and forevermore, throughout all time, in all ages!! May the WONDERS of the Immaculate Heart of Mary be known, venerated, proclaimed, in all places, at all times!!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world!

O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *
 
IMHO, such acts would still be disordered, but how would we know one way or another?
 
Heh… yeah, I could totally buy that.

Anyways, I can safely assume that back then, when the Bible–or rather, the Old Testament–was presented to the people, there was a pretty low world population. The topics in Leviticus–things not to do–were written for health reasons (minor or major), for the most part, but the forbidden sexual acts lowered the chances of conception.

So, if the Bible was written in reflection of culture and ethics from back then, then no. Homosexuality would not be wrong in modern times, considering our current road to overpopulation.

But, that’s my take.

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood
Homosexuality even in OT times was an abomination and an affront to God. The fact it was forbidden by God had nothing to do with health issues or population issues.

By the way in current times we are not heading for overpopulation. The world is not and never will be overpopulated.
What is out of whack is a fair distribution of resources. However population is not the thread topic so I’ll stop or it might be closed.
 
True, but not only are Bible verses frequently cited as support, but, similarly, the Bible is looked to as the model of social ethics assuming it is the Word of God.
I don’t think so. It’s the teachings of the apostles, the church and the saints over the centuries, not so much the scripture.

You would have to change your question to “is homosexual stuff still wrong if the church is completely off course?”
 
Homosexuality even in OT times was an abomination and an affront to God. The fact it was forbidden by God had nothing to do with health issues or population issues.
My answer was in response to a hypothetical question. If the Bible was a work inspired by culture and ethics of that time, it would’ve, most likely, not applied to us at *this *time.

An abomination and affront only? You can choose to argue that against a non-Christian (not saying that I am), but I don’t think you would get that far.

I personally think there’s more to it than a simple “because I say so” explanation–not that I am against homosexuality anyways.

Ironically Yours. ❤️
 
The article is very intersting because it talks about the immense effect of restrictions on sexuality on making the creation of Western civilization possible. catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0003.html

Main points and logic (my poor attempt at a summary)
  1. Human sexuality is wild, particularly men’s sexuality. Men have had sex with women, men, little children, total strangers, immediate family members, and many domesticated animals, through using inanimate objects like shoes, urination, by dressing in women’s garments, by watching torture, by listening to women’s disembodied voices (phone sex), and by looking at pictures of parts of bodies. Parent-child incest and seducing another man’s wife have rarely been countenanced by other things have. (THIS IS TRUE - I PERSONALLY KNOW MEN IN OTHER CULTURES WHO PARTICIPATE IN POLYGAMY AND FOR WHOM MARRIAGE OF GIRLS AROUND AGE 12-14 WAS PREVIOUSLY ACCEPTED - that’s actually the Greek and Roman world pre-Christianity as well)
  2. A consequence of unchanneled sex drive is the sexualization of everything including religion. Gives example of the fact that until 1948 Hindu temples had both women and boy prostitutes.
  3. The Bible is the defining factor for dividing the world between homosexuality and heterosexuality. The rest of the world divided the world between penetrator and penetrated. It was Judaism alone that 3,000 years ago declared homosexuality wrong.
  4. The Bible is an amazing contribution to society. It produced the ideas that there is a universal, moral, and loving God; ethical obligations to this God; the need for history to move forward to moral and spiritual redemption; the belief that history has meaning; the notion that human freedom and social justice are the divinely desired states for all people (THIS IS ALSO TRUE. I KNOW PEOPLE FROM A CULTURE THAT BELIEVES IN WITCH DOCTORS; HINDU GODS LIKE KALI ARE THE GODDESS OF DEATH among other things. Do we really want to go back to gods of destruction instead of GOD?)
  5. **Homosexuality is against life **“I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse, choose life so that you can live.” The Torah juxtaposes child sacrifice with male homosexuality. One kills life, the other prevents life from being born. In the Talmud, “He who does not engage in the propogation of his race is as though he had shed blood.”
  6. Men without women are often up to no good An overwhelming number of violent crimes are committed by unmarried men.
  7. Homosexuality contributes to a low social status for women In societies, such as ancient Greece, where men sought men out for sex, women were relegated to a low periphery. “a society dominated by men who sequester their wives and daughters, denigrate the female role in reproduction, erect monuments to the male genitalia, have sex with the sons of their peers” It was Judaism that initiated the process of elevating the status of women from baby-producers unworthy of romantic and sexual attention. (Lets look around the world. Is there any other culture other than Judeo-Christian where the women are not taught to be weak, submissive, servants or is it exposure to the Western world that causes societal pressures in other societies? Africa? Asia? India? )
  8. The male homosexual lifestyle is dangerous for society. The average male homosexual has 500 partners. This is animal-like behavior with devastating consequences for society.
  9. If 92% of gay men have dated a woman and 2/3’rds have slept with a woman, how can they be biologically programmed to be homosexual?
  10. Its abnormal, not natural. Certain body parts were meant to fit together. It doesn’t matter if the whole world was homosexual, it would still be abnormal just like if the whole world was blind, it would still be abnormal.
May the Holy Spirit through the Immaculate Heart of Mary grace us with the gifts that we most desperately need! May the LOVE and MERCY of the Sacred Heart of Jesus be loved, adored, venerated, believed, and glorified throughout all time, in all places! May the WONDERS of the Immaculate Heart of Mary be proclaimed, venerated, honored, respected, loved, and believed in all of creation, through all of time!!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world!

O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *
 
Okay, let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that the Bible is not inspired by God, that it represents nothing more than a collection of texts reflecting cultural and ethnic opinions since the dawning of mankind – this, of course, being the argument of some non-religious people. Provided such an assumption, can it adequately be said that based upon the generational span (4000+ years) of these texts and their acceptance since the birth of Christ (2000+ years) that homosexual acts are still wrong? or does such an argument commit the fallacy of argumentum ad populum (appeal to the people)?
Most homosexuals I know participate in devious lifestyles that are against Church teachings anyway.
 
  1. Men without women are often up to no good An overwhelming number of violent crimes are committed by unmarried men.
  2. The male homosexual lifestyle is dangerous for society. The average male homosexual has 500 partners. This is animal-like behavior with devastating consequences for society.
  3. If 92% of gay men have dated a woman and 2/3’rds have slept with a woman, how can they be biologically programmed to be homosexual?
[6] Talk about sexism! My goodness, if I were to say women without men were up to no good, I would have a mess on my hands. Furthermore, what about priests and religious? This is an outrageous claim to make, and simply cannot be supported.

[8] This cannot be true, I simply do not believe that the average homosexual man has had over 500 partners. That is utter nonsense.

[9] Is it so hard to believe that a gay man would date or sleep with a women to try and convince others, and even himself, that he was not gay and was indeed normal? I know I have dated women for this purpose, even though I have known the whole time I was not attracted to them. (Yes, I now realize that was very wrong to do.)

And finally, for all the talk about gay men, you seem to mention nothing about lesbians. I must say, while that article may make some good points, and may be well intentioned, I would be very wary of what you take away from it.

As to what the OP said, all I have to say is that if the Bible is just some sort of history book, and is not the word of God, then I have much bigger issues in my life than whether or not homosexual intercourse is ok.👍
 
My answer was in response to a hypothetical question. If the Bible was a work inspired by culture and ethics of that time, it would’ve, most likely, not applied to us at *this *time.

An abomination and affront only? You can choose to argue that against a non-Christian (not saying that I am), but I don’t think you would get that far.

I personally think there’s more to it than a simple “because I say so” explanation–not that I am against homosexuality anyways.

Ironically Yours. ❤️
According to your profile you are a Catholic so you must be against homosexual activity.
 
Kevin42, of 6 Maybe he says God created man and said “it is not good for man to be alone.” Perhaps also its a Jewish article and rabbis marry. Someone did say though that Church is the woman for the priests and religious. I looked up violent hate crimes committed against gay people- all are males attacking a man or woman. Most prisoners are male (93% are men according to the U.S. Department of Justice) ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/p06.txt

Of 8, Kevin42, Maybe you might help me see other studies that survey a average gay man over his lifetime. More statistics are here that show different numbers, but I do not have university access to a journal subscription so I can’t access the scientific journals myself.

David McWhirter and Andrew Mattison conducted a non-random study of 156 stable committed male homosexual couples. They found that none of the over 100 couples that had been together for more than 5 years had been sexually monogamous or exclusive. The authors, themselves a gay couple, argued that for male couples, sexual monogamy is a passing stage of homophobia and that many homosexuals separate emotional fidelity and sexual exclusivity. What matters for male couples is emotional not physical faithfulness. D McWhirter and A Mattison, “The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop” (Englewood Cliffs, Prentice-Hall)

According to San Francisco municipal STD clinic, gay-bisexual men report 7.9 different partners in 2 months in 2003. A graph with the average number of sex partners of gay/bisexual men, heterosexual men, and heterosexual women is there. Average number of partners for heterosexuals is around 5 in 12 months. Average number of partners for gay/bisexual men is around 20, and gay/bisexual men w/ HIV/AIDS have many more average partners than gay/bisexual men w/o HIV/AIDS.
sfdph.org/dph/files/reports/StudiesData/STD/STD0408.pdf

NYC study: Center for Disease Control and Michael-Callen-Audre Lorde Community Health Center. Gay men w/ syphilis had about 16 partners in the prior 6 months while gay men w/o syphilis had about 11.
“What we found was that many MSM (Men who Have sex with Men), both cases and controls, were engaging in high risk sexual behaviors,” said Dr. Susan Blank, assistant commissioner of the city department’s Bureau of STD Control. “Specifically, that meant sex with multiple, anonymous partners, unprotected anal intercourse, barebacking, recreational drug use before sex, and not discussing HIV status prior to sex with a partner.”
thebody.com/content/art28966.html

Bell and Weinberg reported evidence of widespread sexual compusion among homosexual men. 83% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated they had had sex with 50 or more partners in their lifetime, 43% estimated they had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners. Bell and Weinberg p 308

The same study revealed that homosexual men have to a great extent separated sexuality from relationship. The survey showed 79% of the respondents saying that over half of their sexual partners were strangers. Seventy percent said that over half of their sexual partners were people with whom they had sex only once. Bell and Weinberg pp. 308-309.

In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in the Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al. found that “the modal range for number of sexual partners ever [of homosexuals] was 101-500.” In addition, 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent had between 501 and 1000 partners. A further 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent reported having had more than 1000 liftime sexual partners. Paul Van de Ven et al., “A Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile of Older Homosexuality Active Men,” Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 354

A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than 100 sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than 1,000 sexual partners. “Sex Survey Results,” Genre (October 1996) quoted in “Survey Finds 40 percent of Gay Men Have Had More Than 40 Sex Partners,” Lambda Report, January 1998, p. 20

exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php

May the Holy Spirit through Mary grace us with the gifts that we desperately need! May the LOVE and MERCY of the Sacred Heart of Jesus be adored, proclaimed, believed, loved, and respected forever, everywhere, by all!! May the WONDERS of the Immaculate Heart of Mary be venerated, believed, loved, proclaimed, and respected in all creation, in all time, by all!!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world!

O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *
 
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