Are Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Christian Science actually Christian?

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Starwarsfan2 said:
Jws , Mormons , Christian scientists are not Christians , however , seventh day Adventists are Christian .
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Ummm, what is your authority on this statement? As we have been saying all along, it depends on who you ask. By self definition, each of the denominations refer to themselves as Christian. If your authority is the Catholic Church, then you are saying that for Catholic purposes, the Catholic Church does not recognize a certain faith community as Christian. Two very different things.
 
spedteacherita said:
Lots of great info, but I need to know where these quotes come from - do you have references for them? Such as Irenaeus - what book? what section? I’d like to read these in context to what was begin discussed.

Sorry - retired teacher who loves references!

God bless!!

Rita
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Hey Rita,
These quotes are from a talk given by Tad R. Callister (LDS Seventy) at BYU and can be found at speeches.byu.edu/talks/tad-r-callister_our-identity-and-our-destiny/

The references you seek are at end of the document.

I hope this help…
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Ummm, what is your authority on this statement? As we have been saying all along, it depends on who you ask. By self definition, each of the denominations refer to themselves as Christian. If your authority is the Catholic Church, then you are saying that for Catholic purposes, the Catholic Church does not recognize a certain faith community as Christian. Two very different things.
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The Lutheran churches have said what I have just said sooo That authority , plus three out of four are heretical as far as the holy scriptures are concerned . Seventh day Adventists are the only group out of the four mentioned groups stated by our church to be Christians .
Not trying to be rude .
 
iepuras said:
The LDS church has in recent years made efforts to mainstream themselves into American Christianity. They are trying to appear more and more Christian. It wasn’t that long ago when LDS leaders were proudly proclaiming that Mormons are not Christian. Even Gordon Hinckley, their previous prophet, publicly stated that they do not worship the same Jesus Christ that Christians do. Now many Mormons are saying “me too! I’m a Christian too!”. I guess that explains “Wear your cross to church day”.

mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wearyourcrosstochurch/

I wonder if it will be as successful as the wear your pants to church day that some women held a few years ago.
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Here is a link that provides an LDS view of the Hinckley quote en.fairmormon.org/Jesus_Christ/Gordon_B.Hinckley_states_that_Latter-day_Saints_don’t_believe_in_the%22traditional%22_Christ
 
Horton said:
We are all sinners depending on the mercy of our God who loves us beyond measure.
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Thanks, Horton. My comment really was alluding to the churches who allow active gay people to preach from the pulpit as well as perform marriages and have gay couples attending services. At some point these churches either need to live by the Confessions that they say they go by or move on to another. They are doing a disservice to their membership by teaching Biblical doctrines are interpreted according to what society is saying is right.

God bless!

Rita
 
Starwarsfan2 said:
The Lutheran churches have said what I have just said sooo That authority , plus three out of four are heretical as far as the holy scriptures are concerned . Seventh day Adventists are the only group out of the four mentioned groups stated by our church to be Christians .
Not trying to be rude .
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I’m not trying to be rude either. But each of those churches do claim to be Christian, which they have every right to do. And other churches have the right to claim that they don’t fit within standards they uphold.

We can talk theology and practice and beliefs, but in the end, each community has to be true to what they believe. I can scratch my head over some of the things religions come up with, but thankfully I am not God.

(I have fantasies about getting to heaven and having a check list of things I want to ask. The Planet Kolob - now what was THAT about? or Was I really supposed to keep Saturday instead of Sunday as my Sabbath?)

It’s all good. Really.
 
Pythons said:
I’m going to predict that his response will be “I’ve never heard of that before” OR “we don’t teach that any longer” OR “the early SDA Church was anti-Trinitarian but eventually came to accept the Trinity”.

Should your answer include any of the above I have a metric ton of quotes that will dispel the answer…
…Possibly the easiest & quickest way to confirm what I’m saying is just to ask the individual.
“WAS it possible that Christ could have sinned and lost His Salvation & subsequently be eternally annihilated by God”?

He will answer in the affirmative. As MoreCoffee has said, this is a fairly large onion with MANY layers…
…It’s easier to just cut the onion in half and look at the center & base your questions off that.

Good luck.
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Yes, Seventh Day Adventism is very confusing.

I have noticed that there are anonymous literature drops by SDAs in my city (Perth in Australia) and that the literature does not identify what denomination it is associated with. When the literature is authored by Ellen White her name doesn’t appear in any obvious place. It leaves me wondering why they are so careful to hide their identity. It may be innocent - perhaps out of fear of discovery and persecution because their theology teaches them to expect Sunday observers to persecute Saturday observing people - but it does leave one wondering doesn’t it?

Jehovah’s witnesses are normally quite open about who they are and what they are doing when they knock at your door.
 
spedteacherita said:
Thanks, Horton. My comment really was alluding to the churches who allow active gay people to preach from the pulpit as well as perform marriages and have gay couples attending services. At some point these churches either need to live by the Confessions that they say they go by or move on to another. They are doing a disservice to their membership by teaching Biblical doctrines are interpreted according to what society is saying is right.

God bless!

Rita
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I believe that the Jehovah witnesses to do accept the Trinity or that Jesus is the sin of God, but that Jesus is a created being like an Angel. In a similar way, the Mormas believe that Jesus is the “good” brother of Lucifer, while Lucifer is the “evil” one.

In Mormonism, Jesus is a creation, the product of relations between god and his goddess wife who used to be people from another world (McConkie, Bruce, Mormon Doctrine, p. 192, 321, 516, 589). Jesus is the literal spirit brother of the devil and of you and I (McConkie, p. 192, 589). Also, in Mormon theology, God has a body of flesh and bones (Doctrine & Covenants 130:22) as does his wife and together they produce spirit offspring in heaven who inhabit human bodies on earth.

Allah in Islam is not the same God that Christains accept. Islam is an occultic religion where Allah is a derivative of the Persian god Bel, the moon go and was the main pagan god above 360 other pagan gods in the time of Muhammed. Islam is a previously heathen religion modified into a monotheistic form by discarding all the other pagan gods except for Al-Ilah. Note that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon as Satan always loves “Symbols” (e.g., Nazi swatzika). Allah has nothing to do with the same God that Christians believe in.

a. Islam incorporates beliefs in jinns ( which are genies, fairies); in spells, magic stones, fetishes; and animistic beliefs (spirits living in inanimate objects). See: Suras 55; 72; 113, 114.
Such beliefs are contrary to Biblical injunctions found for example in Deut.
b. The Quraysh tribe (Muhammad’s tribe ) was previously devoted to Allah, the moon god. Muhammad’s father was Abd-Allah. His Uncle, Obied-Allah. His mother, Aminah, was known to have been involved in the occult.

The Bible is very clear in John 3 as to what one has to do be saved … you must be born again in the spiirt, you must accept Jesus as the Son of God who came here and died for you on the cross so your sins are covered by His blood. And there is only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus Christ. Your salavtion is a free gift from God … it is up to you to accept that gift.
 
gazelam said:
Here is a link that provides an LDS view of the Hinckley quote en.fairmormon.org/Jesus_Christ/Gordon_B.Hinckley_states_that_Latter-day_Saints_don’t_believe_in_the%22traditional%22_Christ
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How does FAIR contradict what I said? Hinckley was making the point that Mormons do not believe in the same Jesus Christ as orthodox Christianity. Of course, Mormons think they are the true biblical Christians yet their unique teachings are not found in the Bible but are found in the Doctrine & Covenants and Pearl of Great Price.

So if Mormons are Christians, will you be wearing a cross on August 16, which has been dubbed “Wear your cross to church day”?
 
gazelam said:
I had already penciled in my Star of David for August 16…
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You haven’t answered my question yet. What is your (or LDS) belief regarding the conception of Jesus Christ?

Why would you not wear a cross as a symbol of Christianity if you claim to be Christian?
 
jane_doe said:
Does one have to wear a physical cross symbol to qualify as Christian?
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I think a review of the earlier posts in this thread will answer that question for you. But to make it very simple for you, no, one does not have to wear a cross or crusifix to qualify as a Christian but Christians would not have a problem wearing one or the other. I happen to wear both all the time. The question I asked gazelam is why he wouldn’t if he wants us to believe the LDS are Christian.
 
gazelam said:
Perhaps you were unaware of “Wear your Angel Moroni pins to Mass” day on August 23.

The link is at wearyourangelmoronipinstomass.com/you-aren’t-really-clicking-this-are-you.
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I don’t even attend Mass weekly if I can help it. I typically attend Divine Liturgy as I am Byzantine Catholic. 😉

Besides, I think the Moroni pin would self-destruct on me since I wear sleeveless dresses these days. My shoulders are very sinful this time of year. 😃

Besides, Catholics are not the ones claiming to be Mormon…
 
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