Are LDS Protestants or are they separate?

[armyross]

Your points are good, but let me point out one thing. “They believe in God and that is really all that matters.” This called “indifferentism” and is a sin. It implies that “one religion is just as good as another”. Not the case. Jews believe in God, moslems believe in “God”, Hindus believe in “God”, but none possess the true Faith. It DOES matter that one belongs to the True Faith, and not some imitation. Thank you for your service. My thoughts.

I am not saying it is ok. I am just trying to be a better Catholic. I live in Utah which is really hard. I use to bash Mormons to death. I am just trying to change my ways. After Iraq I realized that my battlebuddy who is Mormon and also saved me on alot of convoys was a great person and I no longer wanted to bash because of him. I am not saying that anyone is bashing all I am saying is that this is my way of repaying my friend for all the times he saved my butt.

 

[armyross]

. Thank you for your service. My thoughts.

Thank you for your service also.

 

[zerinus]

I find it funny that LDS have to try and prove they are Christian when the whole Christian world doen not accept them as so and never will.

Well, we certainly do not claim to be “apostate Christian”—which is what we regard historical and traditional Christianity to be. As you know, we consider historical Christianity to be an Apostate institution. We certainly do not want to identify ourselves as being a part, or derivative of that institution. When we identify ourselves as being “Christian,” what we mean is that we possess the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ, which the Lord Himself preached and delivered to His disciples and Apostles in His time, and restored to us by revelation in our time. We claim to be the only Church in fact that possesses that; so that other churches are at best deficient compared to that. If we really wanted to be strict, we could argue that we are the only true Christian Church around; and all other churches are not Christian at all! But we do not want to give offence to our Christian brothers and sisters of other faiths, most of whom are sincere believers in Christ; and their deficiency in the gospel is not really their own fault. But just because we would like to extend that courtesy to others, that does not mean that we are abandoning our own uniqueness, or unique beliefs; or that we are anxious to identified as an integral part, or derivative of that Apostate institution.

zerinus

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Exactly. You are asking us to believe the opinion of one Jesuit priest as opposed to the scholarship of two thousand years of study and prayer in the history of the Church. Very thin “evidence.” No “great Apostacy” except in the mind of your "prophet."Without this bogus “apostacy”, you entire “church” is rendered null and void.

 

[1holycatholic]

Well, we certainly do not claim to be “apostate Christian”—which is what we regard historical and traditional Christianity to be.

If you did, the amount of chatter in here would drop considerably.

 

[BDawg]

Apparently they think one Jesuit priest is the Magisterium who covered up the “great apostasy”, even though Fr. Sullivan wrote those things in the 1950s. If they want to produce evidence, they need to go back in time, not come closer to the present.

Small correction. I have no idea what you mean about us thinking Sullivan is “the Magisterium” who “covered up” anything. And the copyright on his book is 2001.

 

[BDawg]

If you did, the amount of chatter in here would drop considerably.

If you guys called us “apostate Christians,” I can’t see how we could object, either.

 

[hosemonkey]

After Iraq I realized that my battlebuddy who is Mormon and also saved me on alot of convoys was a great person and I no longer wanted to bash because of him. I am not saying that anyone is bashing all I am saying is that this is my way of repaying my friend for all the times he saved my butt.

Nothing that I have said here takes away from the fact that most mormons are sincere people who probably have no idea that they were lied to. I had battlebuddies that were not even Christian(of course I wasn’t either, that was in my atheist period) I loved them no less(would have died for them) but whatever they believed(or didn’t believe) did not change the fact that they were not Catholic. See what I mean?

 

[armyross]

hosemonkey:
Nothing that I have said here takes away from the fact that most mormons are sincere people who probably have no idea that they were lied to. I had battlebuddies that were not even Christian(of course I wasn’t either, that was in my atheist period) I loved them no less(would have died for them) but whatever they believed(or didn’t believe) did not change the fact that they were not Catholic. See what I mean?

Yeah I do see what you mean.

 

[1holycatholic]

If you guys called us “apostate Christians,” I can’t see how we could object, either.

Since the LDS didn’t start out as Christian I referred to them as “Apostates from Christianity”, since the LDS took elements of Christianity and Masonry stirred in a few other heresies: subordinationism etc., creating a new non-Christian religion.

 

[BDawg]

Since the LDS didn’t start out as Christian I referred to them as “Apostates from Christianity”, since the LDS took elements of Christianity and Masonry stirred in a few other heresies: subordinationism etc., creating a new non-Christian religion.

If you said that, at least it would be clear to people what you mean. I only object to people who don’t make it clear that we believe that Jesus was the Son of God.

 

[majick275]

If you guys called us “apostate Christians,” I can’t see how we could object, either.

mormonism is a “restorationist” church and thus should not (in my opinion) be classified as protestant, schismatic, or even apostate christianity. I do not consider it a christian religion either though. many new age sects and even Islam “recognize” jesus as being “important”. i see LDS as a heretical sect at best if one insists on categorizing a religion that does not worship or pray to jesus as “christian”. I think they are truly a new religion. they didn’t “transition” from another church (although a case could be made for sidney rigdon’s cambellite background). they started new with new concepts, doctrines and even scriptures. that they CLAIM a restoration of the original christian church is something the evidence appears to disprove. once again though there are other religions that recognize the bible as having some validity without being christian. so what are mormons? they are mormons. a unique religion just like their early leaders said they were. they have a lot of pentecostalish teachings as well some asiatic but wrapped up in a very nationalistic, “covenant race” type container in their early days and seem to have grown into a well marketed religious home based business type model like a spiritual amway. they teach the doctrines of men mingled scripture and exercise hierarchical control over their members like JW’s. they have ongoing revelation with open canon but these days really downplay that so as not to appear all “branch davidian” (a good analogy to their JS days though). it’s kind of like a cheaper, easier scientology that appears sufficiently “christianish” to appeal to a larger demographic.

so to answer the OP… they are separate.

 

[armyross]

If you guys called us “apostate Christians,” I can’t see how we could object, either.

Ok I have to admit I am not very smart. What does apostate Christians mean. I looked it up but I still do not understand what it means. Anyone?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Small correction. I have no idea what you mean about us thinking Sullivan is “the Magisterium” who “covered up” anything. And the copyright on his book is 2001.

You are correct about the copyright even though it doesn’t help your argument about the “great apostasy” by using sources as recent as 2001. I had mistakenly took the wrong date when I researched Fr. Sullivan,

He received his doctorate from the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome in 1956.

Maybe you guys should do some research on things we say.

May the peace of the Lord be with you,
Prodigal Son1

 

[catharina]

I think that we all need to be a little bit nice to to our LDS posters, unless of course they are coming to bash Catholics. But as for Bdawg he is not here to bash anyone. So what if LDS want to call themselfs Christains. No matter what some of you may post they will still call themselfs Christians. They belive in God and that is really all that matters. Granted I would love for everyone that not Catholic to go to RCIA and become Catholic but thats probly not going to happen.

The problem is that mormons do not believe in God.
They believe in three “Gods” and multiple little gods and godesses.

I feel sorry for mormons since they are so removed from the truth - but that pity doesn’t lead me to support or ignore their assaults on the Holy Bible.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

hosemonkey:
Nothing that I have said here takes away from the fact that most mormons are sincere people who probably have no idea that they were lied to. I had battlebuddies that were not even Christian(of course I wasn’t either, that was in my atheist period) I loved them no less(would have died for them) but whatever they believed(or didn’t believe) did not change the fact that they were not Catholic. See what I mean?

I’ve always heard, there were no atheists in foxholes.

I don’t see myself as bashing as defending the Catholic faith. While I’ll agree there may have been a few “smacks”, I feel like it was an exchange of “love taps”.

May the peace of the Lord be with you,
Prodigal Son1

 

[BDawg]

You are correct about the copyright even though it doesn’t help your argument about the “great apostasy” by using sources as recent as 2001. I had mistakenly took the wrong date when I researched Fr. Sullivan,

Maybe you guys should do some research on things we say.

May the peace of the Lord be with you,
Prodigal Son1

I did do some research on what you said. You said Sullivan wrote what I quoted in the 50’s, so I flipped open the front cover of the book and looked at the copyright.

 

[catharina]

You do yourself a disservice with this kind of irrelevant messages. You can do better than that. If you really can’t, then silence I am sure would be a more respectable option.

zerinus

If only your opinion mattered to me, I’d give it some thought.

Instead, I stand with my earlier statement.
A mormon is to a Christian what a dandelion is to a rose.

 

[BDawg]

Ok I have to admit I am not very smart. What does apostate Christians mean. I looked it up but I still do not understand what it means. Anyone?

Hi armyross,

“Apostate” means that the group or person has fallen into heresy or rebellion. So if a Catholic said that Mormons are “apostate Christians,” it would be understood that the speaker means they are Christian in a broad sense, but not “true Christians.” The opposite of “apostate” might be something like “orthodox.”

 

[armyross]

Hi armyross,

“Apostate” means that the group or person has fallen into heresy or rebellion. So if a Catholic said that Mormons are “apostate Christians,” it would be understood that the speaker means they are Christian in a broad sense, but not “true Christians.” The opposite of “apostate” might be something like “orthodox.”

Thanks that makes alot more sense in your words then what I was trying to read. It must come from you being a teacher beiing able to explain it. Thanks again.