None of mormonism makes sense to me. You misinterpret incredulousness with snide-putdown. I don’t mean to be snide at all I simply cannot believe what i’m seeing and reading about mormonism and it’s incredible to me that anyone can.
These people will tell you this stuff with a straight face! I watch for snickers, but you never see any. They really believe it. You can almost hear the gears clicking.None of mormonism makes sense to me. You misinterpret incredulousness with snide-putdown. I don’t mean to be snide at all I simply cannot believe what i’m seeing and reading about mormonism and it’s incredible to me that anyone can.
I’m sorry but according to his vision they were not just less than 100% correct they were an “abomination”. that’s a bit harsher than just not completely correct. if God had told you that something was an “abomination” would you want to go anywhere near it?
OOps, I never claimed to be humble.(i unfortunately seem to lack that quality)
In addition to himself his brother and 2 close friends where also with him. To defend ones friends and family from being slaughtered for the crime of being in the same room with him hardly takes away from his martyr status. I have not been able to find the info I wanted yet, but the reigning I-net authority on all subjects Wiki
says the JS was aquited on the printing press destruction chargers.Depends on what I’m doing with the “abomination” Christ hung out with many people who sinned often.
But I didn’t discount the entire post. I said, “So I don’t know whether Brigham Young said that, but I suspect that neither do you.” In other words, I did not discount the possibility that he said something like that. I discounted the possibility that you had bothered to check your source, or that you really cared that much whether your source was accurate. And now you had to have Majick (who actually does read books about LDS history) track down the source for you. So, Prodigal, did you actually check your source, or did you just copy it off of some anti-LDS web page? Maybe I’m wrong.
You know, I’ll be the first to admit this thread has gotten more than out of control, but surely you realize it’s a two way street.
I still find it hard to believe that if God told him at age 14 that all churches were abominations in His Eyes that he would attend them. Especially at such a young age. imagine yourself in the same situation at the same age. i’d be terrified.
There is no need for restoration. What the LDS teaches is contrary to what Jesus taught. Jesus also promised Peter that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church. The LDS like all other who claim to be the Church of Christ contradict Jesus Christ’s words. He also promise that he will be with us until the end of time. God is immutable or unchanging. What he teaches in faith and morals remains unchanged. This is only preserved in the Catholic Church, because the CC has the keys of the kingdom.
I guess you missed my post where I stated I got it from a book, that I have right here with me now, and typed the information in. It was a typo.But I didn’t discount the entire post. I said, “So I don’t know whether Brigham Young said that, but I suspect that neither do you.” In other words, I did not discount the possibility that he said something like that. I discounted the possibility that you had bothered to check your source, or that you really cared that much whether your source was accurate. And now you had to have Majick (who actually does read books about LDS history) track down the source for you. So, Prodigal, did you actually check your source, or did you just copy it off of some anti-LDS web page? Maybe I’m wrong.
In any case, I looked up the source Majick provided, and I don’t see how this can be construed as a “prophecy”. Young was simply giving his interpretation of certain passages of scripture, which, it turns out, was exactly the same interpretation as most of the Protestants he grew up with. It’s really stretching to turn this into an “unfulfilled prophecy.”
Even though I think mormons think of Young as a holy man, I’m willing not to push you on this point, as I said earlier, I’m, however, anxious to see your response concerning Joseph Smith’s prophesies, as well as the “real” apostasy point I had questions about.
Hmmm. Actually, the prophecy says this:
Ok, so I was wrong about the web page. What was the book?
No problems here. Jesus’ prophesies were two fold in that chapter. I believe Jesus was foretelling the destruction of Jerusalem which happened before that generation passed. That happened in 70AD.Hmmm. Actually, the prophecy says this:
“For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it, which cloud shall be even the glory of the Lord, which shall fill the house.” (D&C 84:4)
When Jesus prophesied about His Second Coming, he said,
“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.” (Matt. 24:34)
It seems to me that you guys have a much worse problem than us on this score. We believe that John and some others were “translated,” meaning they were made immortal, so they could stay on Earth until the Second Coming. So really, some of the same generation that was around when Jesus was around are still here. Except that you don’t believe that, so I guess you’ll have to come up with some other way to get out of the problem you’ve brought up.
Not sure if you know this or not, but Catholics do not believe the Bible to err anywhere. I am surprised to hear mormons accept that kind of thing though.
I believe the term was their creeds where an abomination the individuals in the various churches had faith in Christ so there could still be a lot of good in them.
Beginning Apologetics 2: How to Answer Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons. By Fr. Frank Chacon and Jim Burnham. This is the primary book I’m using. I also have apologetic study cards and books by Scott Hahn, Patrick Madrid, etc. etc.
LDS doctrine on the nature of God is as incompatible with Natural Theology as is Atheism. The peep-stones, golden plates, sticking faces into hats, apostasy yarns are trivial matters when the LDS view of God is incoherent and self refuting.