That makes more since if he attended them after his vision.
It did to me when I was 16 but that’s not for this thread. If your interested in hearing it i’ll be more than happy to PM you
I’m unsure how much he did or did not attend afterwards I don’t recall a specific reference to his continuing or stopping.
I enjoy reading church sign boards too. One of my favorites is:
“Under Management since 33ad”
Well actually, according to the mormon doctrines and covenants 84:3-5, the whole prophecy says this:Hmmm. Actually, the prophecy says this:
“For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it, which cloud shall be even the glory of the Lord, which shall fill the house.” (D&C 84:4)
When Jesus prophesied about His Second Coming, he said,
“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.” (Matt. 24:34)
It seems to me that you guys have a much worse problem than us on this score. We believe that John and some others were “translated,” meaning they were made immortal, so they could stay on Earth until the Second Coming. So really, some of the same generation that was around when Jesus was around are still here. Except that you don’t believe that, so I guess you’ll have to come up with some other way to get out of the problem you’ve brought up.
How is it you missed 3 and 4 in your response to me?
May the peace of the Lord be with you,
how can you say this? he was running away from ohio because of the money issues. he had a reputation for fraud before he even started the LDS church. the folks who were after him for the sexual misconduct were nauvoo timeframe but we don’t know just how soon he really started with the affairs. the first we know of is fanny alger and oliver cowdery was smeared when he wouldn’t go along with that. we don’t know that was josephs first foray into that particular area.
why do you twist this? all their creeds are an abomination unto me and all their professors corrupt. who professes the credds? the individuals in the churches. JS-history doesn’t say anything about those people in other churches having faith in christ of alot of good in them. it says quite the opposite.
I am assuming your quoting when you say “all their creeds are an abomination unto me and all their professors corrupt.”
Below is an excerpt from History of the Church, Vol. 5, p. 394:
I really don’t see how you can argue Joseph Smith’s failed prophesies now.
This has never been doubted or in dispute in the Catholic Church. Why would it need to be “restored”?
was the only one received to this (#408):
I’ve been reading through the posts since page 16, checking references, etc. My brain is numb and my eyes are blurry, but I want to see if I’m caught up and understanding correctly.
*]The Catholic Church. Jesus Christ, Lord God and Saviour, specifically stated that He was founding His Church upon the rock of Peter. As the Gospel message spread, certain communities may have misunderstood or listened to someone who was preaching incorrect doctrine. This would be quite understandable in a world without printing presses, radios, television and internet. To combat any heresies that arose, the early Church fathers wrote extensively about the one true faith. Also, during this early Church period, it was adjudged which of the many different writings were inspired Scripture and these were gathered together into what we now call the Bible.
There was only one true faith passed on through the one true Church for 1,000 years until the schism between East and West which was more political than doctrinal.
The one true faith continued for another 500 years until Martin Luther came along. Despite what his motives were (and I admit that at the time there were men in power in the Church who were sinning and causing scandal), he caused a rift where his followers, instead of trying to work on correcting abuses in the Church, chose to leave it. (In the 500 years since this rift, followers of the original break-away group have splintered into approximately 30,000 different groups.)
Throughout the ages, great minds have written in depth on the doctrines and dogmas of the one true Church, the meaning of its Sacred Scripture, and against heresies which arose from time to time.
However, the one true Church survived, corrected abuses, and continues on to this day, and is called Catholic.
*]LDS. Three hundred years later (@1800), Joseph Smith comes along. Joseph Smith is referred to as a prophet by the LDS (which is anti-Biblical, as Jesus warned against false prophets who would come after Him). He finds gold plates which were inscribed with the supposed “fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ” (which, instead of being venerated by the one true Church for 1,800 years, had been buried near Manchester, NY), and which - if I am correct - conveniently and mysteriously disappeared. Smith supposedly received these plates from a being named Moron… oh, excuse me, Moroni. This being was supposedly once human but somehow changed natures completely and is now an angel. Smith proceeded to miraculously translate the plates by putting two stones in a hat and then putting his face into the hat.
What resulted was “The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ” which the LDS claim “is a collection of writings and teachings of the ancient prophets and followers of Jesus Christ who lived in the Americas from approximately 590 B.C. to 421 A.D.” (I find this tale particularly fascinating since these supposed “followers of Jesus” seemed to be following Him nearly 600 years before He was born on earth. Even though this apparently makes no sense whatsoever, it does lay the groundwork for the further claim that “[a] few hundred years before the birth of Jesus Christ, people had fallen into apostasy.” (However, I must admit, that I’m not sure which apostasy this one supposedly is.)
The LDS, despite presenting no proof whatsoever, claims that “**ecause the Church was no longer led by priesthood authority and revelation, error crept into Church teachings. Good people and much truth remained, but the gospel as established by Jesus Christ was lost, resulting in a period called the Great Apostasy.” There is no attempt to identify or explain what this supposed Great Apostasy consisted of, exactly who was involved, or exactly when. Neither does it attempt to give any credible explanation of how “the gospel as established by Jesus Christ was lost,” despite the one true Church having been its guardian for 2,000 years.
Immediately after the Introduction to the Book of Mormon is “The Testimony of Three Witnesses,” however there is no footnote or addendum noting that subsequently, on renouncing Mormonism these same three principal witnesses (Cowdery, Whitmer, and Harris) declared their testimony to be false.
The balance of the Book of Mormon appears to be a fanciful mixture of legitimate Sacred Scripture (as Christian so define it) and mythical people living in a mythical culture which seemed to exist only in the mind of Joseph Smith, as there are absolutely no archaeological or historical records of any kind of these supposed ancient American peoples.
This mélange is somehow believed by approximately 13 million people who since Joseph Smith’s time have broken into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Community of Christ (formerly known by the name “Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints”), Church of Christ (Temple Lot), Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Church of Jesus Christ, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite).
Meanwhile, after 2,000 years, there is still only one true Church: the Catholic Church, built upon the rock of Peter as per the words of Jesus, holding firm and faithful to Scripture, Tradition, the teachings of the early Church fathers, and the Magisterium.**
(I know which Church I want to belong to!
I guess this must mean that the rest of the post is true.
The Nauvoo Expositor was an antimormon newspaper. I believe that one issue was published and then it was destroyed. At that time in history there was much antimormon feeling. Any newspaper that would feed that feeling would be a public nuisuance and threaten the lives of innocent citizens.
I don’t think that the lds would dispute this quotation. If one needs a restoration then, one must find an unhappy god with all the other christian faiths.
Care or not, she asked me a question, and I gave her the answer. Do you mind?
There is no need for a restoration since no apostasy occured in the Church. To claim otherwise is contrary to history, Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.
There is no such thing as “christian churches” sic], there is only one Church, the Catholic Church.
To claim otherwise is unhistorical, illogical and contrary to Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.Most indians died from disease. In any case, the Catholic Church did not teach that it was OK to mistreat the indians. For that matter, neither did any Protestant denomination. Your claim is:
that paper was published by mormons. they were angry with what JS was doing under the pretense of being “commanded by the lord”. how would a newspaper threaten lives? this was in nauvoo…a mormon city.
Correcting typos!Don’t answeres? Don’t ask questions!
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Standard mormon apologetics. This is what they teach their people, DON’T ASK QUESTIONS!Quote:
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__________________Almost nothing was known about Jewish Christianity in Joseph Smith’s time. Nobody was publishing about issues like that until at least the 1850’s, and even then, they weren’t publishing in English.
William Law was a disgruntled exmormon who disliked polygamy. He set out to stir up the non-mormons thrugh the newspaper and he would have succeeded if the newspaper was not destroyed. To save lives the paper had to be destroyed.
It didn’t, from our perspective. Read my prior post on this, and skip to the part about the Song of Solomon.
The Indians were victims of christian bigotry. It was okay to kill them off because they were savages went the logic of the time. And protestant and catholic churches need to take responsibility for this bigotry. The diseases were brought to the Indians via the white man and woman. And no one cared.