Are liberals correct to like Pope Francis so much?

[TK421]

Pope Francis is a servant of servants, so it would be correct for anybody to like him.

Many people with unorthodox creeds probably don’t understand or realize that the Pope, just like any other Pope, is Catholic, and are simply attracted to his enthusiasm and crisp character, but one should take gifts when they come. Jesus doesn’t present himself to people that are immersed in his sanctifying grace and shining with wisdom. If he did that, then why did the Incarnation even happen? He walks through the darkest corners of society. The warm but perhaps superficial impressions of the Pope can be the instrument that leads some people to having their entire world changed.

 

[Neofight]

We like him for a variety of reasons, and we don’t think conservatives are wrong to like him either!
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[tabycat]

I’m waiting for the liberals to realize th****at Pope Franis is a Jusuit ! ! !

 

[Neofight]

I’m waiting for the liberals to realize th****at Pope Franis is a Jusuit ! ! !

Not a single liberal I know knew he is a Jusuit…we thought he is a Jesuit!

 

[KendraDZ1902]

Where,** exactly**, are Catholic conservatives not in line with Church teaching?

I find that throwing in conservatives with liberals like the two are the same or somehow equal and opposite on internet chat posts is only done to get special, personal attention.It’s an extraordinary selfish motive.

I don’t think I said the word Catholic in my post.

I think that the views of the GOP and Capital Punishment are not in line with Church teaching. Throws the whole “Right to life from conception to NATURAL death” out the window.
A lot of those who vote for the Republican party don’t just believe having sex with the same sex is sinful, but that being gay is a sin. Which The Church teaches isn’t so.

Here is a nice little piece I found:
blog.adw.org/2012/02/to-what-political-party-does-the-catholic-church-belong/

Is the Catholic Church Republican? Democrat? And what are you? As for me:

1. I’m against abortion, and they call me a Republican
   2.I want greater justice for immigrants, and they call me a Democrat
   3.I stand against “Gay” “Marriage,” and they call me a Republican
   4.I work for affordable housing, and stand with unemployed in DC, and they call me a Democrat
   5.I talk of subsidiarity and they say: “Republican, for sure.”
   6.I mention the common good, and solidarity and they say, “Not only a Democrat, but a Socialist for sure.”
   7.Embryonic Stem cell research should end, “See, he’s Republican!”
   8.Not a supporter of the death penalty, standing with the Bishops and the Popes against it…”Ah, told you! He’s really a Democrat!…Dye in the wool and Yellow Dog to boot!”

I will stand by my statement that Liberals and Conservatives aren’t always in line with EVERY Church teaching.

And I don’t like your little remarks about attention seeking and being selfish :tsktsk::nope:

 

[SuperLuigi]

KendraDZ1902;12959612]I don’t think I said the word Catholic in my post.

I think that the views of the GOP and Capital Punishment are not in line with Church teaching. Throws the whole “Right to life from conception to NATURAL death” out the window.

Here is a nice little piece I found:
blog.adw.org/2012/02/to-what-political-party-does-the-catholic-church-belong/

The Church has made it VERY clear about the importance of the death penalty relative to abortion…

Additionally, I would listen more to the Vatican and Church leaders who follow Church teaching and who do their homework instead of a blog.

And I don’t like your little remarks about attention seeking and being selfish :tsktsk::nope:

Well, that’s how a lot of people act. The question gets asked constantly “why are we losing this, why are we losing that?”

It’s very simple:

Because people are more interested in being popular than taking the time to figure out the facts and listen.

As a priest once said “I am sorry if I have offended you, but I am not sorry for telling the Truth”.

EOM.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

. I don’t see how in the USA how one party that advocates for the mass-murder or the unborn and the destruction of the sacrament of marriage is somehow an equal alternative to a party that doesn’t have that in its platform.

The end-all, be-all of this kind of thinking is “it doesn’t matter who you vote for, they are all the same, so vote as liberally as possible”.

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I didn’t say that it was an equal alternative, I said that both parties aren’t always in line with Church teaching. And I never said that it didn’t matter so vote as liberally as possible.

Like, what’s your deal with the statement “Liberals and Conservatives aren’t always in line with EVERY church teaching” ???

 

[KendraDZ1902]

The Church has made it VERY clear about the importance of the death penalty relative to abortion…

Additionally, I would listen more to the Vatican and Church leaders who follow Church teaching and who do their homework instead of a blog.

As a priest once said “I am sorry if I have offended you, but I am not sorry for telling the Truth”.

It is from the Archdiocese of Washington written by a man named Monsignor Charles Pope. I am totally guessing that he so doesn’t listen to the Vatican…

 

[KendraDZ1902]

As a priest once said “I am sorry if I have offended you, but I am not sorry for telling the Truth”.

EOM.

And calling me attention seeking and selfish isn’t the truth. It was just a little personal attack. Quite rude, actually.

 

[SuperLuigi]

It is from the Archdiocese of Washington written by a man named Monsignor Charles Pope. I am totally guessing that he so doesn’t listen to the Vatican…

He’s not doing his homework if he thinks government can be used to help the poor in the long term…

And as far as his comments on Obamacare…that’s obvious, but really, what did Catholic leaders expect?

Let me just say this:

If Catholic Leaders in the United States want the government to stay out of their business, then they need to be the ones who think twice about supporting something as anti-market and anti-natural law as government-run health care and then act surprised when the beast turns on them.

That’s what conservatism sees.

Too bad the USCCB didn’t.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

He’s not doing his homework if he thinks government can be used to help the poor in the long term…

And as far as his comments on Obamacare…that’s obvious, but really, what did Catholic leaders expect?

Let me just say this:

If Catholic Leaders in the United States want the government to stay out of their business, then they need to be the ones who think twice about supporting something as anti-market and anti-natural law as government-run health care and then act surprised when the beast turns on them.

That’s what conservatism sees.

Too bad the USCCB didn’t.

Still haven’t proven that my statement that Liberals and Conservatives aren’t always in line with Church teaching is incorrect, because, like, it isn’t. I think Monsignor gave a few examples about this that I quoted. Sooooo, like, idk what else to tell you.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Let’s not be too harsh on our liberal brothers and sisters.

They struggle with aspects of the faith like all of us.

I often wonder though if they understand that the Pope does not have the authority to change Doctrine which is Divine Law. No-one on earth possesses that authority.

I understand that there are Disciplines which can be discussed as these practices have and can be changed over the centuries. Rome has made murmurings towards discussion, this has pleased some of my liberal friends.

One of my liberal friends was actually told by another parishioner to leave the church, get out and go and join some other church. She has no interest in changing Doctrine, she wants to change the Discipline of ‘single priests’ and allow for married men to be ordained which caused the upset.

Why does it have to be about “pleasing liberal friends”?

I think that concept has caused the West enough trouble already…

 

[SuperLuigi]

Still haven’t proven that my statement that Liberals and Conservatives aren’t always in line with Church teaching is incorrect, because, like, it isn’t. I think Monsignor gave a few examples about this that I quoted. Sooooo, like, idk what else to tell you.

Sorry, but in the spirit of forum rules and CAF standards, I can no longer carry on this conversation and will no longer participate on this thread. It’s clear that I cannot convince readers to listen, and it’s always downhill from here.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

Sorry, but in the spirit of forum rules and CAF standards, I can no longer carry on this conversation and will no longer participate on this thread. It’s clear that I cannot convince readers to listen, and it’s always downhill from here.

LOL. Yeah, you won’t convince me that either party is totally inline with Church teaching. Bye.

 

[on_the_hill]

I’m with Kendra on this, right from the start. SuperLuigi, you’re wrrong.

And not being very nice, either.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

Why does it have to be about “pleasing liberal friends”?

I think that concept has caused the West enough trouble already…

Who said anything about pleasing liberal friends? The Vatican made a statement, my liberal friend was pleased about that statement.

You are mistaken if you think Rome is open to discussion re: Disciplines just so it can please the liberals. Rome is not answerable to conservatives or liberals only God.

 

[GEddie]

I for one am (glad)[sup]3[/sup] that liberals like His Holiness!

But to the extent that they are longing for him to turn the Holy Church on its side, in the direction of their desires, I hope they will be deeply disappointed.

If that was clear as mud, it was meant to be.

ICXC NIKA

 

[SAVINGRACE]

I’m with Kendra on this, right from the start. SuperLuigi, you’re wrrong.

And not being very nice, either.

 

[Michael_Francis]

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***Okay, calm down please people.

It is worthwhile to discuss what we think so many non-believers seem to like about Pope Francis.

Please keep in mind what one of the complaints was against Our Lord.

Luke 15:1-2 "The tax collectors and sinners were all drawing near to listen to him, but the Pharisees and scribes began to complain, saying, “This man welcomes sinners and eats with them.”***

 

[triumphguy]

He’s not doing his homework if he thinks government can be used to help the poor in the long term…

And as far as his comments on Obamacare…that’s obvious, but really, what did Catholic leaders expect?

Let me just say this:

If Catholic Leaders in the United States want the government to stay out of their business, then they need to be the ones who think twice about supporting something as anti-market and anti-natural law as government-run health care and then act surprised when the beast turns on them.

That’s what conservatism sees.

Too bad the USCCB didn’t.

“… the suffering multitude, without the means to protect itself relies especially on the protection of the State. Wherefore, since wageworkers are numbered among the great mass of the needy, the State must include them under its special care and foresight.” (Pope Leo XIII On the Condition of Workers, 54.)

The function of the rulers of the State, moreover, is to watch over the community and its parts; but in protecting private individuals in their rights, chief consideration ought to be given to the weak and the poor. (POPE PIUS XI QUADRAGESIMO ANNO)

*Man has the right to live. He has the right to bodily integrity and to the means necessary for the proper development of life, particularly food, clothing, shelter, medical care, rest, and, finally, the necessary social services. In consequence, he has the right to be looked after in the event of illhealth; disability stemming from his work; widowhood; old age; enforced unemployment; or whenever through no fault of his own he is deprived of the means of livelihood. * (Pope John XXIII PACEM IN TERRIS)

*It is the task of the state to provide for the defense and preservation of common goods such as the natural and human environments, which cannot be safeguarded simply by market forces. *(St. John Paul II Centesimus Annus 40)