Are Liturgical Abuses more common in the USA?

[LINVS]

I was watching the Pope’s first mass on Youtube and I noticed people kneeling for communion on the tongue. The church was full of marble and oil paintings and the flock was modestly dressed. Of course this was in Europe and it was a Papal mass, however I wonder if Liturgical abuses are just more common in the USA. Is it because we are just further away from Rome, the influences of the strong Protestant/Evangelical element, or our inclination toward liberty that permits abuses.

 

[garn9173]

Are you implying that it’s a Liturgical abuse to receive Communion in the hand? If that’s what you are thinking, you are totally inaccurate.

 

[robwar]

I was watching the Pope’s first mass on Youtube and I noticed people kneeling for communion on the tongue. The church was full of marble and oil paintings and the flock was modestly dressed. Of course this was in Europe and it was a Papal mass, however I wonder if Liturgical abuses are just more common in the USA. Is it because we are just further away from Rome, the influences of the strong Protestant/Evangelical element, or our inclination toward liberty that permits abuses.

liturgical abuses are more common in the heads of those that think they are experts and pit one form of Mass against another and expect one form of Mass to be run like another and then go on the internet to complain instead of trying to work with the priest to solve whatever problems they think they see happening.

 

[LINVS]

liturgical abuses are more common in the heads of those that think they are experts and pit one form of Mass against another and expect one form of Mass to be run like another and then go on the internet to complain instead of trying to work with the priest to solve whatever problems they think they see happening.

I see; I thought liturgical abuses really existed. I didn’t know they were “in people’s heads.”

I could have sworn I read somewhere that Pope Benedict commented that liturgical abuses detract from Christ. Must have been in my head.

Thanks for clearing that up!

 

[NovusAugustus]

Here we go again…

 

[robwar]

I see; I thought liturgical abuses really existed. I didn’t know they were “in people’s heads.”

I could have sworn I read somewhere that Pope Benedict commented that liturgical abuses detract from Christ. Must have been in my head.

Thanks for clearing that up!

Well, what are you calling “liturgical abuse”?. Are you trained in the liturgy? Have you read Cannon law and GIRM? What people often are calling abuse is more about personal tastes, thoughts and feelings on what they think should or shouldn’t be at Mass. Do you think that Priests who are trained to run the Mass go out of their way to “abuse” the liturgy and on purpose? Jimmy Aikin wrote 2 very good books about the Mass and it’s revisions and listing in a matter of importance abuse and what would be the biggest and most concerning. The phrase “liturgical abuse” is actually more abused that what truly happens.

 

[tabycat]

Here we go again…

 

[latingirl]

I read some of the GIRM and alot of liturgical documents. Although I personally prefer reception on the tongue, receiving communion in the hand is not a liturgical abuse.

However to answer your question about abuse occurring in the USA, I can only use my own experience. Out of four parishes I attended, only in one did the priest engage in abuses such as omitting the ordinaries when they are not to be omitted, improvising prayers in places where it expressly indicates there is no improvisation, and singing secular songs to “serenade” the congregants during Mass.

 

[10thCrusader]

Are you implying that it’s a Liturgical abuse to receive Communion in the hand? If that’s what you are thinking, you are totally inaccurate.

It’s only an abuse to indicate that communion in the hand is the preferred method to receive. The GIRM states that receiving on the tongue is the preferred method. Communion in the hand is only allowed in those places where the individual bishops have permitted it, which is the case in the United States. The bishops conferences in other countries may rule otherwise. I think there are some places in Africa that they have not permitted communion in the hand.

 

[George_Stegmeir]

liturgical abuses are more common in the heads of those that think they are experts and pit one form of Mass against another and expect one form of Mass to be run like another and then go on the internet to complain instead of trying to work with the priest to solve whatever problems they think they see happening.

Well said!!!

 

[johnmann]

It’s only an abuse to indicate that communion in the hand is the preferred method to receive. The GIRM states that receiving on the tongue is the preferred method. Communion in the hand is only allowed in those places where the individual bishops have permitted it, which is the case in the United States. The bishops conferences in other countries may rule otherwise. I think there are some places in Africa that they have not permitted communion in the hand.

That’s not exactly true. The GIRM says nothing about a preferred method.

 

[ProVobis]

However to answer your question about abuse occurring in the USA, I can only use my own experience. Out of four parishes I attended, only in one did the priest engage in abuses such as omitting the ordinaries when they are not to be omitted, improvising prayers in places where it expressly indicates there is no improvisation, and singing secular songs to “serenade” the congregants during Mass.

At one of the Spanish Masses, the priest was singing as he was distributing communion. But I think I’ve grown out of being bothered by these kinds of activities. The Mass is still valid and my obligation was fulfilled. I just remember the communion formula of the EF.

 

[acarlson]

Oh, brother. Another one of THESE threads where everything Catholic in the USA is inherently sinful, corrupted, horrible, etc.

If you see so many horrifying problems everywhere you look (don’t get me wrong; there ARE serious problems that need to be addressed), wouldn’t it be more effective to DO something about it than to complain on an internet forum?

Because if you (this “you” referring to anyone) are going to do nothing but complain, you might as well move to Europe where you supposedly think everything is uncorrupted – and trust me, I’ve been there. It is NOT. They just have DIFFERENT problems, especially of clergy not respecting their bishops and preaching things directly in conflict with Church teachings because it’s not the popular, “proper” thing to do. You want to talk about secularization’s effects on the Church? Look at Europe.