Are martial arts okay for catholics?

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Scott Waddell:
So anyone who checks out an instructor’s qualifications is foolish and not prudent, correct?
Did you read my post, Scott? You and I both know that’s not what I said. No word games, please.
 
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tkdnick:
Sorry!

But hey, if you know any good-looking, Catholic, martial artist who are single, I’m still available. 😃
How about starting a forum thread for single Catholic butt-kickers? Think we’d get any hits … er, kicks?
 
I had the same concerns when I took up Tae Kwon Do several years ago. After a conversation with a black belt, I realized that there really was no reason to worry. Martial arts is very good for self-discipline, great exercise, and you learn how to kick butt if someone is trying to hurt you(my favorite part:D )

P.S I’M SINGLE!!!
 
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tkdnick:
I definitely think you should check out an instructor’s credentials, but I’m with surfin…I have met very few who are “charlatans”. Although, I did used to train under one, so I know they’re out there.

There are plenty of schmucks though…
Ok, I will revise my position:

Although encountering unqualified instructors is rare, it is not so rare that one should forego making at least a cursory inspection of any instructor’s qualifications.

Acceptable?

Scott
 
surf(name removed by moderator)ure:
How about starting a forum thread for single Catholic butt-kickers? Think we’d get any hits … er, kicks?
:rotfl:
 
Scott Waddell:
Ok, I will revise my position:

Although encountering unqualified instructors is rare, it is not so rare that one should forego making at least a cursory inspection of any instructor’s qualifications.

Acceptable?

Scott
Nothing wrong with that. 🙂
 
surf(name removed by moderator)ure:
How about starting a forum thread for single Catholic butt-kickers? Think we’d get any hits … er, kicks?
What do you mean “we”? You’re not a single Catholic butt-kicker. Maybe we just do one for Catholic butt-kickers.
 
surf(name removed by moderator)ure:
Momofone, meet tkdnick. Nick, Momofone. The rest is up to you guys. 😃
AWWW…my very own CA Forums match-maker!
 
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tkdnick:
What do you mean “we”? You’re not a single Catholic butt-kicker. Maybe we just do one for Catholic butt-kickers.
Sorry, I meant “you.” Do you think anybody would hit the thread? Or hit you? Or hit ON you, for that matter?

I am confusing myself.
 
surf(name removed by moderator)ure:
Sorry, I meant “you.” Do you think anybody would hit the thread? Or hit you? Or hit ON you, for that matter?

I am confusing myself.
Hit me??? Probably! Hit ON me??? Seriously doubt it! :crying:

I say we make a thread for all Catholic martial artist - single or married! We can swap martial arts stories! I’m gonna do it! Give me a few minutes and then check the Water Cooler.
 
You guys got me busting a gut here:rotfl:
I’ll check out the link in a minute.
Hi, tkdnick, I’m momofone.👋
 
Scott Waddell:
Ok, I will revise my position:

Although encountering unqualified instructors is rare, it is not so rare that one should forego making at least a cursory inspection of any instructor’s qualifications.
Oh I definitely think you ought to check them out before you agree to sign the contract. Not only is it important to get someone who won’t phinagel (sp?) you, but also that you get someone compatible with you.
 
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tkdnick:
Oh I definitely think you ought to check them out before you agree to sign the contract. Not only is it important to get someone who won’t phinagel (sp?) you, but also that you get someone compatible with you.
Yeah, I think we got hung up on the word “charlatan”, which upon further reflection was a bad word choice on my part. Charlatan denotes a complete fake. I agree that it almost never happens that you will run into someone with little or no experience passing himself off as a master.

What may happen more often is you get someone less-than-advertised. In one case when I was on the East Coast, one black-belt student got in a row with the shihan and formed his own very lame dojo. When I was in the mid-west, another student did something similar AND ran off with the shihan’s intellectual property. I’m not saying you need to start an inquisition committee, but a few well-placed phones can help get a clear picture of the local scene.

I think it is less a problem with the more popular arts (karate, judo, Tae kwan do, etc) because there are national associations with good guidelines and resources. I would be much more inquisitive with the more esoteric arts like kenjutsu or iajutusu (sword fencing with an eye toward mortal combat rather than sport).

Most dojo’s make you sign a waiver against injury. Since almost all martial arts involve risk, you want make sure before you sign your rights away that you are with someone concerned for your safety rather than someone just because he is a star hot dog.

So, back to the original post. Martial arts are not intrinsicly opposed to Catholic teaching. Just keep your eyes open and use common sense. 🙂

Scott
 
Scott Waddell:
Yeah, I think we got hung up on the word “charlatan”, which upon further reflection was a bad word choice on my part. Charlatan denotes a complete fake. I agree that it almost never happens that you will run into someone with little or no experience passing himself off as a master.
One thing that always puzzles me is these guys who are like 30 and hold a 6th degree black belt in such-and-such and a 4th degree black belt in this-n-that. NO WAY!!! Either they’re in some FUNKY system, or they’re making stuff up. Sorry, that just doesn’t happen. In my form of tkd (which is not considered really “slow” as far as progressing through ranks) it takes 2 years to get to 1st degree black belt, and a total of 38 years to get to the very top (9th degree). And that’s all assuming you are eligible to test every opportunity and pass every time.
 
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tkdnick:
In my form of tkd (which is not considered really “slow” as far as progressing through ranks) it takes 2 years to get to 1st degree black belt, and a total of 38 years to get to the very top (9th degree). And that’s all assuming you are eligible to test every opportunity and pass every time.
Two years?? Wow. In my American TKD studio, it took most people at least four years to get black belt. Then it’s two years to second degree, three to third, four to fourth, etc. The way it adds up, you don’t get to be a grand-master until you have really gray hair. LOL

I know that some styles will let you progress quickly to black belt if you hold one in a different style. It didn’t take me half as long to get black in Combat Hapkido once I had black in TKD, but I also would have preferred more training in hindsight.

I remember seeing a 15-year-old girl at a tournament once who had five degree marks on her black belt. Talk about bogus!
 
surf(name removed by moderator)ure:
Two years?? Wow. In my American TKD studio, it took most people at least four years to get black belt. Then it’s two years to second degree, three to third, four to fourth, etc. The way it adds up, you don’t get to be a grand-master until you have really gray hair. LOL

I know that some styles will let you progress quickly to black belt if you hold one in a different style. It didn’t take me half as long to get black in Combat Hapkido once I had black in TKD, but I also would have preferred more training in hindsight.

I remember seeing a 15-year-old girl at a tournament once who had five degree marks on her black belt. Talk about bogus!
It took me 4 years as well. However, as society has changed to be more “right now” oriented, our organization has changed it’s belt testing timeframe. We run an 8 week testing cycle through the 9 colored belts. Then 6 months as a recommended black belt. Then 1 year to 2nd, 2 years to 3rd, 3 to 4th, etc, etc, etc.

The idea behind our system is that getting to black belt is not mastery of the art, but in fact, that you are now ready to become a serious student of it.
 
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