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ATraveller
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Young healthy men were the focus of these studies.
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Magnanimity
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Here is my original quote, which you snipped. If I was making a point with regard to age, it’s that young male men have higher levels of T, which is uncontroversial.
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ATraveller
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Yes but even higher levels of T in young men (think 20’s) doesn’t make them more lustful. It may make teens a bit “confused” at first but after the first year or so (emphasizing the importance of parental guidance), they’re able to adjust. Noticeable declines happen around 40 so even the inclusion of men in their 30’s would distort results.
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I understand. And I’m not trying to be contrary. But it would be an inverse study that would be relevant to the comment I was making. That is, a study that would assess whether a reduction in testosterone would have a corollary of reduction in sexual urges.
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cactusgirl
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Obviously it would depend on the individual. But biologically, no. While it is true visual stimulation has (on average) more of an effect on men, women have other unique triggers (such as their cycle), and can experience temptation just as much as men. Science tells us that women experience as much (if not greater) sexual pleasure than men, but that men (on average) tend to have worse inhibitory control, which may explain why women are more keen to resist the temptation. Not to mention in most cultures sexual promiscuity is more accepted in men than women. It’s important to point out these differences, as men are not more likely to commit lustful sins, they experience sexual temptation differently. Too often I see guys trying to use the “it’s harder for men” excuse to either justify or excuse their own sin, or shame a woman for her sin, claiming that any man who committed the same sin would be less culpable (which, even if men were more likely to commit sexual sin, is ridiculous when you consider the many other factors involved).
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twf
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Traditionally it’s sadly often boiled down to:
-Guy sleeps around before marriage: “oh well, boys will sew their wild oats.”
-Girl sleeps around before marriage and gets pregnant: “let’s scorn and despise the little tart and shame her for the rest of her life…”
-Guy sleeps around before marriage: “oh well, boys will sew their wild oats.”
-Girl sleeps around before marriage and gets pregnant: “let’s scorn and despise the little tart and shame her for the rest of her life…”
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ATraveller
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The authors indicate that it doesn’t matter as long as the levels are above the threshold. That’s indicative T levels going down but still above that threshold would not decrease sexual desire.
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The implication of this study? Men can control themselves. Thoughts are trickier. At the end of the day, willpower, discipline and resolve are more important. Have friends who believe in being chaste and civilized.
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Gab123
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Speculative and anecdotal ? Lol
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fide
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Jesus apparently thought it more needful to speak to the men about it:
Mt 5:27 "You have heard that it was said [to the men of old], ‘You shall not commit adultery.’
Mt 5:28 But I say to you that every one [male] who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Mt 5:27 "You have heard that it was said [to the men of old], ‘You shall not commit adultery.’
Mt 5:28 But I say to you that every one [male] who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
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meltzerboy2
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In Judaism, it is stated there are more commandments targeted toward men than women, NOT because men are believed to be superior, but rather because they are inferior in controlling their selfish desires (not only sexual ones) and therefore need to be reminded.
We’ll just have to wait for scientific research to catch up to what the Hebrew Bible and New Testament already know.
We’ll just have to wait for scientific research to catch up to what the Hebrew Bible and New Testament already know.
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SeraficLeo
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It’s amazing how much that is already starting to happen. Increasingly science is showing how traditional morality is not merely some artificial cultural construct (though lots of morality will be tailored to times, people and places) but is actually closely related to health. I’m thinking for example of a study conducted by one of America’s Ivy League schools that found that lying, for example, actually damages your brain and why it can become habitual/pathological: you basically rewrite neural pathways when you lie, which apparently also damages them and helps to create a bad habit. Of course the dangers and consequences of promiscuity are already well known from the individual health danger and negative sociological consequences but even increasingly the psychological consequences and as traditional morality already taught when it comes to sexuality people are least able to assert their reason or think rationally about it.
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TheLittleLady
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This is nothing to “laugh” about. Men are sexually assaulted by women.
Sexual assault is about power, it is not about sex
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JimR-OCDS
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Sexual assault begins with lust and lust is about power
See the title of the thread.
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See the title of the thread.
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This makes me wonder what value men have. I mean, we do participate a little in child bearing, but that’s almost nothing compared to what women do. And women involved in divorces almost always get custody of the children…a lot of the time, men aren’t even involved with the rearing of children at all in countries like Brazil, with women and grandmas raising the children on their own. So what place do men have in anything? The acquisition of material wealth to help in raising their children which the mothers may not even need? It seems like we’re little more than transient pawns in the creation and raising of life.
Makes me depressed, to be honest.
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twf
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Men who father children but choose not to be active fathers are about as unmanly and dishonourable as you can get.
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crjr9833
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ATraveller
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The popular view men being more visual isn’t conclusive. This meta-analysis published a few weeks ago should make us question that view:
Science is great. It can help us to design strategies to increase willpower and discipline in our lives to turn away from sin to the best of our abilities.
But some use scientific findings as an excuse to justify sin and claim that people are helpless, like men have no ability to control themselves. Some Evangelical pastors unfortunately do this.
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DarkLight
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We’re learning more and more that social expectations also do actually influence our brains, too. So if thinking about sex a lot is considered normal for men but not for women, men may actually start to think about sex more. It’s also far more common in our society to have highly sexualized depictions of the female form than vice versa.
There’s really no good way to study that sort of thing. But it’s worth considering that a man who’s grown up from a boy hearing that men are more visual and think about sex a lot, and having sexualized images of women fed to him, may in fact come to think about sex a lot more.
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