Are miracles rare events?

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It’s not a question of all or nothing but as little as possible! Disasters and deformities can be diminished without decimating them…

Diminished disasters eliminate much suffering and many premature deaths.
Why would you think they are premature or that whatever consequences come from them don’t serve God? These are quite possibly the most necessary things. Now, take away the suffering and death caused by actions of people’s freewill and you’d be talkin’ some big numbers. That is the true source of unnecessary suffering.
 
It’s not a question of all or nothing but as little as possible! Disasters and deformities can be diminished without decimating them…

Diminished disasters eliminate much suffering and many premature deaths.
Maybe God has diminished them already. We don’t know how awful some disaster might have been, if our prayers hadn’t been answered by God. We won’t have the answers to these questions until we reach Heaven and ask them of God Himself.
 
Maybe God has diminished them already. We don’t know how awful some disaster might have been, if our prayers hadn’t been answered by God. We won’t have the answers to these questions until we reach Heaven and ask them of God Himself.
I agree with you. I shudder when I think of places like Mexico City which are disasters waiting to happen. It’s lunacy to build skyscrapers in earthquake zones…
 
  1. Did God create the universe and then leave it to develop entirely by itself without intervening frequently?
  1. *Would a loving Father who cares for all His creatures adopt a policy of non-intervention?
  1. *Does God do everything He can to minimise unnecessary conflict, pain and death in the world?
4.Is it an admission of failure to acknowledge that the laws of nature cannot cater for every contingency in such a vast and immensely complex universe?
  1. How often does God answer our prayers miraculously?
There is only one Genuine Miracle, meaning, only one thing which cannot be explained by all the philosophers and nitwits in the universe, not even by God Themselves—

It is,* that anything whatsoever happens to exist*.
 
To answer the question posed by the thread title,
  1. Transubstantiation of the host into the Body of Christ is a miracle.
  2. Canon law encourages each priest to celebrate one mass per day. I know some priests who celebrate two or even three per day, so one mass per day per priest is probably a reasonable approximation.
  3. There are about 370,000 Catholic priests in the world (nationmaster.com/graph/rel_cat_tot_pri-religion-catholic-total-priests).
  4. Thus there are at least 370,000 miracles a day which averages to 257 miracles per minute. A typical breathing rate is 16 breaths per minute. Miracles are not that rare.
 
To answer the question posed by the thread title,
  1. Transubstantiation of the host into the Body of Christ is a miracle.
  2. Canon law encourages each priest to celebrate one mass per day. I know some priests who celebrate two or even three per day, so one mass per day per priest is probably a reasonable approximation.
  3. There are about 370,000 Catholic priests in the world (nationmaster.com/graph/rel_cat_tot_pri-religion-catholic-total-priests).
  4. Thus there are at least 370,000 miracles a day which averages to 257 miracles per minute. A typical breathing rate is 16 breaths per minute. Miracles are not that rare.
How many miracles per person would that equal out to?
 
How many miracles per person would that equal out to?
It depends. If grace flows from the Church into the world, each Eucharistic miracle would affect everyone to some degree, most powerfully the people attending the mass and those outside less so (sort of like the field strength of a powerful electromagnetic event). The other possibility is that it only affects those attending a particular mass, which means you would have to figure out average mass attendance on a global scale. :rolleyes:
 
Not according to Jesus!
The saints have taken Jesus at His word and showed us what is possible. That does not mean a miracle will occur every time we ask. Our prayers should always be subject to the proviso"Thy Will be done" because life is so complex that only God knows what is in everyone’s best interest.
 
Here is an interesting article relevant to the discussion by Catholic physicist Stephen Barr, whose writings were an important factor in helping me not to slip into atheism a few years ago:

firstthings.com/onthesquare/2009/07/how-god-and-science-mix

Interesting is also the comment section that features an exchange between atheist physicist Lawrence Krauss and Barr, which Barr, while making a few more interesting points, handily wins.

A few paragraphs from the article:

Scientists are atheists in the lab, said Krauss, and so it is only logical that they should be atheists everywhere. This is a logical argument, yes, and also quite popular, but it is based on a conception of God that is alien to Jewish and Christian tradition. For Haldane and Krauss, religion is about miracles, and miracles are about magic and the irrational, and therefore belief in God stands in opposition to the world revealed by science, a world intelligible by reason and governed by law.

For Jews and Christians, however, pitting God and the laws of nature against each other in this way is an absurd mistake; for it is the very lawfulness of nature that points to a divine Lawgiver. In the Bible, God gives laws not only to the people of Israel, but to the cosmos itself, as in Jeremiah 33:25, where he declares his fidelity to Israel in these terms: “When I have no covenant with day and night, and have given no laws to heaven and earth, then too will I reject the descendants of Jacob and of my servant David.”

In arguing against pagans for the existence of a creator God, ancient Christian writers pointed to the order and lawfulness of nature, not to the miraculous. The following passage from the second-century writer Minucius Felix is typical:
 
Here is an interesting article relevant to the discussion by Catholic physicist Stephen Barr, whose writings were an important factor in helping me not to slip into atheism a few years ago:

firstthings.com/onthesquare/2009/07/how-god-and-science-mix

Interesting is also the comment section that features an exchange between atheist physicist Lawrence Krauss and Barr, which Barr, while making a few more interesting points, handily wins.

A few paragraphs from the article:

Scientists are atheists in the lab, said Krauss, and so it is only logical that they should be atheists everywhere. This is a logical argument, yes, and also quite popular, but it is based on a conception of God that is alien to Jewish and Christian tradition. For Haldane and Krauss, religion is about miracles, and miracles are about magic and the irrational, and therefore belief in God stands in opposition to the world revealed by science, a world intelligible by reason and governed by law.

For Jews and Christians, however, pitting God and the laws of nature against each other in this way is an absurd mistake; for it is the very lawfulness of nature that points to a divine Lawgiver. In the Bible, God gives laws not only to the people of Israel, but to the cosmos itself, as in Jeremiah 33:25, where he declares his fidelity to Israel in these terms: “When I have no covenant with day and night, and have given no laws to heaven and earth, then too will I reject the descendants of Jacob and of my servant David.”

In arguing against pagans for the existence of a creator God, ancient Christian writers pointed to the order and lawfulness of nature, not to the miraculous. The following passage from the second-century writer Minucius Felix is typical:
What happened to Minucius’s passage? 🙂
 
Here is an interesting article relevant to the discussion by Catholic physicist Stephen Barr, whose writings were an important factor in helping me not to slip into atheism a few years ago:

firstthings.com/onthesquare/2009/07/how-god-and-science-mix

Interesting is also the comment section that features an exchange between atheist physicist Lawrence Krauss and Barr, which Barr, while making a few more interesting points, handily wins.

A few paragraphs from the article:

Scientists are atheists in the lab, said Krauss, and so it is only logical that they should be atheists everywhere. This is a logical argument, yes, and also quite popular, but it is based on a conception of God that is alien to Jewish and Christian tradition. For Haldane and Krauss, religion is about miracles, and miracles are about magic and the irrational, and therefore belief in God stands in opposition to the world revealed by science, a world intelligible by reason and governed by law.

For Jews and Christians, however, pitting God and the laws of nature against each other in this way is an absurd mistake; for it is the very lawfulness of nature that points to a divine Lawgiver. In the Bible, God gives laws not only to the people of Israel, but to the cosmos itself, as in Jeremiah 33:25, where he declares his fidelity to Israel in these terms: “When I have no covenant with day and night, and have given no laws to heaven and earth, then too will I reject the descendants of Jacob and of my servant David.”

In arguing against pagans for the existence of a creator God, ancient Christian writers pointed to the order and lawfulness of nature, not to the miraculous. The following passage from the second-century writer Minucius Felix is typical:
I’d like to offer some alternative thoughts on this. Yes, Krauss’ argument for atheism is effectively rebutted by Barr, but it does not matter. Both are weak arguments, designed to reinforce existing beliefs rather than to change minds.

These arguments and counter-arguments all suffer from the same problem as their thousands of predecessors on either side of the fence— they are narrowly focused upon a single aspect of the problem.

The first scientist of the (Western hemisphere) modern era, Galileo, was well aware of the long-term impact of his ideas upon his beloved Church, and tried to offer a solution. He wanted the Church to treat the universe as a higher Bible than the written words of men.

Why not? The only certainty we have about the words in the Bible is that they were penned by men. Who said they were divinely inspired? Other men.

We have a higher level of certainty about the universe. If there is indeed a God (or other intelligent creative entities for which the name “God” can serve) the universe is the certain creation of that God. Men were not involved.

The Bible can be (and in the opinion of many who have studied it in depth) full of errors. Its interpretations are clearly inaccurate— for example, very few Catholics have been told that the Hebrew word for God, Elohim, is plural.

While the universe is subject to interpretation by men, just like the Bible, the core truth of it does not change and is there for anyone with a mind to study and understand. The language in which it is understood is the only universal language common to all men— mathematics.

Galileo expected that the discoveries of science, not only those of Copernicus whose ideas he championed, but his own, and those of scientists to follow, be applied as a correction to religious dogma. Those who know a modicum of objective history know the result of his efforts.

It is time to reconsider Galileo’s position. Weak as atheism is, it is taking over, especially in intellectual and political circles. (Notice, please, that the WSJ blew off Barr’s rebuttal, leaving the dogmatic documentary-channel physicist for the atheist cause, Krauss, to stand as an authority, unrebutted.)

It is time to seriously apply everything we really know about physics, biology, neurology, and even psychology to an understanding of the real purpose of man, and an understanding of the nature and purpose of the Creator which transcends, if necessary, trivial dogmas invented centuries ago by men who had no understanding of physics.
 
It is time to seriously apply everything we really know about physics, biology, neurology, and even psychology to an understanding of the real purpose of man, and an understanding of the nature and purpose of the Creator which transcends, if necessary, trivial dogmas invented centuries ago by men who had no understanding of physics.
Science tells us absolutely nothing about what is good, right or just. So much for the trivial dogmas for the apostles of scientism!
 
Science tells us absolutely nothing about what is good, right or just. So much for the trivial dogmas for the apostles of scientism!
Tonyrey,
You wrote the above in reply to the following post:
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greylorn:
It is time to seriously apply everything we really know about physics, biology, neurology, and even psychology to an understanding of the real purpose of man, and an understanding of the nature and purpose of the Creator which transcends, if necessary, trivial dogmas invented centuries ago by men who had no understanding of physics.
Had you done me the simple courtesy of actually reading my post before knee-jerking an irrelevant reply to it, you might have seen that it addresses theology at the metaphysical level, not human behavior at the moral level.

I expect that kind of half-posteriored reply from conventional dogmatists, but you are capable of meeting higher standards. Unless I am mistaken in that evaluation…?

Kindly do not inferentially label me a follower of scientism again. I detest the principles of scientism and regard its followers as serious threats to the future of humankind.
 
  1. without intervening at all.
  2. yes, isn’t that what faith is all about?
  3. no, and this reminds me of a story I heard just recently.
A female CNN journalist heard about a very old Jewish man who had been going to the Western Wall to pray, twice a day, every day, for a long, long time.
So she went to check it out. She went to the Western Wall and there he was, walking slowly up to the holy site.
She watched him pray and after about 45 minutes, when he turned to leave, using a cane and moving very slowly, she approached him for an interview.
"Pardon me, sir, I’m Rebecca Smith from CNN. What’s your name?
“Morris Feinberg,” he replied.
“Sir, how long have you been coming to the Western Wall and praying?”
“For about 60 years.”
“60 years! That’s amazing! What do you pray for?”
“I pray for peace between the Christians, Jews and the Muslims.”
“I pray for all the wars and all the hatred to stop.”
“I pray for all our children to grow up safely as responsible adults and to love their fellow man.”
“I pray that politicians tell us the truth and put the interests of the people ahead of their own interests.”
She replies, “How do you feel after doing this for 60 years?”
“Like I’m talking to a ****ing wall.”
  1. Not at all.
  2. As often as you think He does.
Science tells us absolutely nothing about what is good, right or just.
Human morality finds root in the most basic necessity, the need of survival. As human population grows and becomes more concentrated into eventual society, anarchy and chaos is avoided by a consensus to behave a certain way.
 
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