Are Mormons and Unitarians Christians?

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Right, but what makes a baptism Trinitarian isn’t just the words. That is an important point.
 
I realize the answer to this whole question about who is a Christian will be skewed here toward the acceptance of the Trinity. But it could also be looked at as in Antioch where the term was first used to describe followers of Christ. Or it could be looked at as simply those who accept Jesus Christ as savior. Or perhaps even those who believe Jesus was indeed a significant figure whose teachings they strive to follow as they understand them in their own faith journeys.
 
1ke said:
No, absolutely not.
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I was not talking about the Unitarian or Mormon churches. Are we now basing Baptism on magic words? Again, I go back to the Holy Ghost or Spirit, what gender is attributed to them? Is not God also the creator? Is Jesus not also the redeemer? Is your reaction perhaps based on distrust of Feminism and human intransigence?
 
Mormons believe that the Holy Ghost is a male and will receive a body after his mission as the Holy Ghost is completed.
 
PJH_74 said:
Are we now basing Baptism on magic words?
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We base them on valid form and matter. The Church has already spoken on this. The valid form and matter were given to us by Christ. We are not free to substitute them or change them.

We are baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Form and matter make the sacraments valid. They are instituted by Christ. The Church teaches, governs, and sanctifies. The Church cannot change the sacraments that Christ instituted.

Yes, the words matter. Yes the form matters. Yes the matter matters.
 
Maximilian75 said:
The Trinity seems to be the only thing that all Christians (Catholic, Protestant, Anglicans, Eastern Orthodox) hold in common.
These two do not.
What’s their status?
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As a Mormon I can say that we are non-Trinitarian Christians. I hope this helps…
 
Chris-Hawkins said:
No they aren’t Christians. I think they believe that Jesus was a prophet don’t they?
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Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is the Savior of all mankind and is the Son of God. I can’t speak about the other faiths listed.
 
Protestants don’t believe in forgiveness of sins through baptism either though, so doesn’t their baptism contradict the churches intent of the sacrament?
 
Yep. You can’t pour dirt over someone’s head and say I baptize you in the name of jack, Dianne, and Casper the ghost and it be valid just because the interns there.
 
Some don’t. This is why I think everyone who is received should be conditionally baptized. In the promotion of ecumenism they’ve, in my option, sacrificed assurance of proper baptism.
 
Anyone in those groups can be a Christian. They can follow Jesus’ instructions on ethics and I bet they’ll get into Heaven long before other baptized Christians. I’m inclined to think Jesus’ radical message for reforming his faith community will lead to his generous admittance of all faithful followers post death/atonement.
 
And that was exactly the message Mitt Romney offered in his Election Era speech on religion. God can sort these things out on the other side of earthly life.
 
That’s borderline heresy. The path to salvation is through Catholicism, not through Pentecostalism or Mormonism.
 
A key aspect of following Jesus is following His Church. It isn’t good to reject His Church even if you follow many of His other teachings.
 
Learn something new every day. So does that mean they are Christians then?
 
They are not. Mormons, JW’s, Unitarians, Oneness Pentecostals are not Christians.

Seventh-Day Adventists are Christians.

Even some more well-known sects such as the Salvation Army and at least some Quakers are ontologically non-Christians, even if they adhere to core Christian beliefs, they do not baptize. To be Christian is an ontological reality; it’s not just an adherence to a belief system. Even if you believe all that the Christian faith teaches, you become a Christian only when the water hits you.
 
I still have to ask why this matters. All the arguing and pontificating in the world is not going to get Mormons or JWs to change their opinion. Calling themselves Christians is their right to do. Why does this matter?
 
Lemuel said:
I still have to ask why this matters. All the arguing and pontificating in the world is not going to get Mormons or JWs to change their opinion. Calling themselves Christians is their right to do. Why does this matter?
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Because someone asked.

And as for Christians, the first duty is to the truth. I also have the right to call myself the Grand Duke of Alberta. But it doesn’t make it true. And there is no moral benefit to asserting my “right” to something that isn’t true.
 
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