Are Mormons Christians

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nmgauss said:
Polygamy was encouraged in the early days of Islam. The idea was for women to be supported somehow. If a woman lost her husband and she became destitute, marrying a prosperous man who was already married proved that at least the new man in her life was capable of supporting her.

Even in Sigmund Freud’s day, his household contained his wife, their children, and her sister. Although only one wife was permitted in those days, Freud is supposed to have treated the sister as his mistress.
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What does this post have to do with the topic of this thread? Muslims are not Christian, nor would they ever claim to be.

Also, why do you bring up Freud? How does pointing out his adultery make the point that Mormons are or are not Christian?
 
Apologies to Mr. Freud.

nmgauss, what does Mr. Freud’s alleged adultery have to do with whether Mormons are or are not Christian?
 
iepuras said:
Apologies to Mr. Freud.

nmgauss, what does Mr. Freud’s alleged adultery have to do with whether Mormons are or are not Christian?
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Give him some time, he’s busy moving the goal posts and blowing smoke screens:D
 
zaffiroborant said:
Give him some time, he’s busy moving the goal posts and blowing smoke screens:D
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The weather is cold and rainy outside. I wonder why he is working so hard to move goal posts and blow smoke screens when the weather is so nasty outside! 😃

Come in from the rain and have a nice hot cup of coffee or tea! :coffeeread:
 
iepuras said:
The weather is cold and rainy outside. I wonder why he is working so hard to move goal posts and blow smoke screens when the weather is so nasty outside! 😃

Come in from the rain and have a nice hot cup of coffee or tea! :coffeeread:
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Maybe he sticks with hot chocolate.😉
 
nmgauss said:
Polygamy was encouraged in the early days of Islam. The idea was for women to be supported somehow. If a woman lost her husband and she became destitute, marrying a prosperous man who was already married proved that at least the new man in her life was capable of supporting her.
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This is a common apologetics from Mormons: “The women needed support.”

Well, I am glad to inform you, you don’t need to marry someone in order to provide support for them. Jesus taught to “care for the widows”, he didn’t say, “make sure all widows are married and if there isn’t a single (preferably prosperous) man available, polygamy is OK!”.
Even in Sigmund Freud’s day, his household contained his wife, their children, and her sister. Although only one wife was permitted in those days, Freud is supposed to have treated the sister as his mistress.
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Unfortunately, this implies that a woman needs to “give out” in recompense for food and shelter. I sure hope that is not what you are meaning to say!
 
iepuras said:
The weather is cold and rainy outside. I wonder why he is working so hard to move goal posts and blow smoke screens when the weather is so nasty outside! 😃

Come in from the rain and have a nice hot cup of coffee or tea! :coffeeread:
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I’m wondering why we are still feeding a troll. 🤷
 
nmgauss said:
First of all, Yahwism was not Judaism as we understand it today. Abraham was a Yahwist, not a Jew. The same goes for Moses, David, Solomon, and Isaiah. They worshipped Yahweh who was the chief member of the Divine Council of gods. Perhaps after the Tanakh was written, the foundation of monotheistic Judaism was laid down. When Judaism was firmly established by the Rabbis in the Mishnah and Talmud in the first centuries after the death of Jesus, it was focused on only one G-d.

Mormons are Christians because they say so in their name “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints”. Since they worship Jesus Christ, they qualify as Christians.
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That is incredibly circular reasoning. “They are because they so.”

Ok…so am I the king of the world just because I say I am?
 
TexanKnight said:
That is incredibly circular reasoning. “They are because they so.”

Ok…so am I the king of the world just because I say I am?
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If you can show justification for your claim, why not? Certainly Mormons worship Jesus, so why can’t they call themselves Christians?
 
nmgauss said:
If you can show justification for your claim, why not? Certainly Mormons worship Jesus, so why can’t they call themselves Christians?
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No…Mormons worship a man they call Jesus. Do you even know what you are talking about? Have you studied at all what Mormons actually believe and the doctrinal history?
 
Mormons believe they are Christians and worship a man called Jesus…however “their” Jesus is completely different in nature, divinity etc to the Jesus mainstream Christian’s follow, for one thing him and satan are brothers and he is also the archangel Michael (or Gabriel, I can’t remember which - Adam is the other). They don’t accept the trinity and only accept the bible “as far as it is translated correctly”. They use water in their communion and children can hold the priesthood.

I don’t believe they are Christians (I’m an ex Mormon)
 
nmgauss said:
If you cannot come up with something better, you can always be snide and snarky. What does this accomplish?
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All of your “views” “claims” and “statements” have been soundly defeated through out this thread.

Your only response or defense has been to continually move the goal posts, and has also been pointed out.

Your posting style and claims are indicative of a troll, and I am merely pointing it out.

Also, I think it would be best if you told us the truth, and told us how long you have been mormon. I believe that question has been asked also, and you avoided it quite obviously. This is also indicative of troll behavior.

I’m also not quite sure if those 2 drive by posts we had from people claiming to be “lds” aren’t sock puppets of yours also. Which would also be troll like behavior.

I am sorry if you feel that pointing out the obvious is “snide and snarky”, but, unfortunately the truth isn’t always rainbows and unicorns.

You will soon learn that the persecution card does not play well at CAF.
 
twopekinguys said:
All of your “views” “claims” and “statements” have been soundly defeated through out this thread.

Your only response or defense has been to continually move the goal posts, and has also been pointed out.

Your posting style and claims are indicative of a troll, and I am merely pointing it out.

Also, I think it would be best if you told us the truth, and told us how long you have been mormon. I believe that question has been asked also, and you avoided it quite obviously. This is also indicative of troll behavior.

I’m also not quite sure if those 2 drive by posts we had from people claiming to be “lds” aren’t sock puppets of yours also. Which would also be troll like behavior.

I am sorry if you feel that pointing out the obvious is “snide and snarky”, but, unfortunately the truth isn’t always rainbows and unicorns.

You will soon learn that the persecution card does not play well at CAF.
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Is this supposed to be a debate where each of my posts is an occasion for you or somebody else to shoot back a hostile retort? I get kneejerk responses and am subject to unfriendly name calling as if this were a shouting match instead of thoughtful replies supported by credible sources. My statements are meant to stimulate thinking and to point out conflicting interpretations. Obviously you would rather reflexively fight than have a friendly dialog. If you cannot support your views, they are worthless.
 
Stephen168 said:
Mormons are not Christians and your statements do not support any claim to the contrary.

Are you Mormon?
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What has that got to do with my posts? My profile as displayed in the upper right of the page says non-denominational.

Who gets to say whether or not a denomination is Christian? Here is a quote from Wikipedia on LDS:
“Adherents, sometimes referred to as Latter-day Saints or, more informally, Mormons, view faith in Jesus Christ and his atonement as the central tenet of their religion. LDS theology includes the Christian doctrine of salvation only through Jesus Christ, though LDS doctrines regarding the nature of God and the potential of mankind differ significantly from mainstream Christianity”

This statement is supported by a substantial list of references and bibliography, so it is not a feeling or an opinion or something made up.

Perhaps the departure from mainstream Christianity is what has people accusing Mormons of not being Christian. There are variants on the theme of Christianity, and LDS fits within the variant category.
 
nmgauss said:
What has that got to do with my posts? My profile as displayed in the upper right of the page says non-denominational.

Who gets to say whether or not a denomination is Christian? Here is a quote from Wikipedia on LDS:
“Adherents, sometimes referred to as Latter-day Saints or, more informally, Mormons, view faith in Jesus Christ and his atonement as the central tenet of their religion. LDS theology includes the Christian doctrine of salvation only through Jesus Christ, though LDS doctrines regarding the nature of God and the potential of mankind differ significantly from mainstream Christianity”

This statement is supported by a substantial list of references and bibliography, so it is not a feeling or an opinion or something made up.

Perhaps the departure from mainstream Christianity is what has people accusing Mormons of not being Christian. There are variants on the theme of Christianity, and LDS fits within the variant category.
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But salvation is completely different in Mormon theology…there are three heavens or degrees of glory for a start - telestial, terrestrial and celestial plus outer darkness (hell where mostly only apostates go) then you have a spirit prison where you can learn the truth and spirit paradise.

To get to the highest degree of glory you need to follow all the rules so word of wisdom, tithing, church every Sunday, fulfill your church calling (cleaning, kids, leadership etc), then be endowed in the temple and take further covenants (learn all the signs and symbols), get married and sealed in the temple wear the undergarments which have symbols on night and day…interestingly one of the prophets (this is disputed) said that unmarrried women would become servants to fully fledged Mormon households in the afterlife. They also believe marriage exists in the afterlife. There is also a planet called kolob. Polygamy exists in the afterlife and would exist on earth if the law allowed it - they still see it as doctrine. A man can be sealed to more than one wife…but a woman can’t be sealed to more than one man (through death, divorce etc)

I don’t think you actually know much about the Mormon religion…oh and they have people act out stuff in their temples (which they believe brings the person by proxy to their temple…that includes satan)
 
Truth_Faith13 said:
oh and they have people act out stuff in their temples (which they believe brings the person by proxy to their temple…that includes satan)
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I didn’t know about that :eek: (bringing people by proxy to their temple, including satan) . I would like to know more. Could you explain it a little bit more? Thank you!
 
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