Are Mormons Christians

[nmgauss]

that is not the issue.

You said, with fqcts not an issue, that they are because they say they are. Forget that facts say different.

Yet, when faced with the absurdity of the comment, you changed the rules.

I am simply not surprised.

What rules are your referring to?

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Thank you for the beautiful illustrations. I don’t believe I ever actually saw a platypus before. The challenge you speak of may be for Catholicism but not necessarily for all of Christianity. There are other Christian denominations which accept Mormons as Christians.

Some Christian denominations are confused, but it can be fairly
said. I believe, that the majority of the Christian Communities a-
round to world deny Mormonism as Christian.

 

[TexanKnight]

What rules are your referring to?

the rules where facts were not an issue…

“if they say they are, they are”

 

[PRmerger]

For a “holier than thou” Catholic, you sure are talented at being vitriolic.

nmgauss, I suggest you retract the above. It is against forum rules.

However, it is good for you to be here and in dialogue with knowledgeable Catholics, which is why I am offering you the chance to retract before you are reported.

 

[meltzerboy]

that is not the issue.

You said, with fqcts not an issue, that they are because they say they are. Forget that facts say different.

Yet, when faced with the absurdity of the comment, you changed the rules.

I am simply not surprised.

My statement assumes that both Mormons and Christians exist in the real world. There is no such thing as President of the World, ergo neither you nor anyone else can be one. Does the Bible spell out everything? If not, you shouldn’t expect me to either.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

I nominate this post as the best of the thread. All in favor, please manifest it.

I do to give credit to Pastor Jason Wallace
(of Christ Presbyterian Church) from whom
I got the Duck/Platypus analogy.

 

[iepuras]

Some Christian denominations are confused, but it can be fairly
said. I believe, that the majority of the Christian Communities a-
round to world deny Mormonism as Christian.

I agree. In my personal experience, some Christians of the Protestant variety refused to talk to me or associate with me when I was Mormon because I wasn’t a Christian. Those who think Mormons are Christian probably don’t know the details regarding Mormon theology and the “mysteries of God” as defined by the Mormons.

 

[Miriam1947]

I agree. In my personal experience, some Christians of the Protestant variety refused to talk to me or associate with me when I was Mormon because I wasn’t a Christian. Those who think Mormons are Christian probably don’t know the details regarding Mormon theology and the “mysteries of God” as defined by the Mormons.

Well that was certainly Christ like of them now wasn’t it? /s

 

[iepuras]

Well that was certainly Christ like of them now wasn’t it? /s

Nope. When I was in school, there were two big Protestant churches (the denomination will remain unnamed). One pastor was very anti-Mormon and anti-Catholic. The kids who attended that church wouldn’t talk me me, but they also wouldn’t talk to the Catholic kids. The pastor of the other church didn’t concern himself with other churches. Most of my friends at school were actually Catholic since many of the kids wouldn’t talk to them either! I never needed many friends so I didn’t care.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Instead of showing where I went wrong, you simply call my sources bunk.

I clip from wikipedia at times, but I do
not create an entire large post from a
wikipedia page and try to pass it off
as a good argument.

Well if I wanted to stomp all over your sources as you do mine,

Mine is the Bible, mind you.

Hey, I offered you plenty of explanation prior to this bit of the discussion.
Did you forget how I recommended you to read the Pauline epistles and
the Book of Revelation? but you doubt the Bible so you don’t count that
I guess, seeing how you belittle the Gospel of John. I also didn’t simply
reject your explanation using the wikipedia, I showed also how you had
skipped over early heretical groups which had been viewed by the early
Church as heretical, and that the latter group of modern religions which
you gave are just vain repetitions of those older groups. Did you miss it?

 

[nmgauss]

Nope. When I was in school, there were two big Protestant churches (the denomination will remain unnamed). One pastor was very anti-Mormon and anti-Catholic. The kids who attended that church wouldn’t talk me me, but they also wouldn’t talk to the Catholic kids. The pastor of the other church didn’t concern himself with other churches. Most of my friends at school were actually Catholic since many of the kids wouldn’t talk to them either! I never needed many friends so I didn’t care.

This is a stupid way to act. When I was a kid, I went to a very cosmopolitan middle school. There were Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Buddhists, Taoists, Shintoists, and Confucianists, and nobody paid any mind to the differences. There were also Italians, Germans, Portuguese, African-Americans, Hispanics, Scots/Irish from Arkansas, kids of mixed Native American/Caucasian, Filipinos, Chinese, and Japanese, and nobody paid any mind to the differences.

To shun anybody because of differences is stupid. This harks to the Amish and Mennonites and their shunning of the “English”.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Utah is filled to the brim with stories of non-Mormons being shunned by Mormons. It is a strange environment here, where LDS befriend you in an effort to convert you, or ignore you because you are not LDS. A few are “normal”, and can be friendly just because they are. The ex and never Mormons tend to bond together, everyone from all faiths and no-faith, finding commonality in being the minority.

 

[nmgauss]

nmgauss, I suggest you retract the above. It is against forum rules.

However, it is good for you to be here and in dialogue with knowledgeable Catholics, which is why I am offering you the chance to retract before you are reported.

OK. I admit that it was over the top, and apologize. Also, knowing that my questions stimulate thought, although sometimes prompting the label “troll”, gives me a feeling that further contributions are worth my while.
I have issue with someone telling me to read a whole book in the Bible to answer a question. Instead of excerpting certain verses to illustrate a point, I am being told that I am wrong, but with no reason. “The Catechism has the answer. Read it!”
Also, I may disagree with Scripture but I don’t cast aspersions on it. If I cite a well respected scholar that criticizes Scripture, my piece is sometimes thrown back in my face because “the author is wrong.” Supporting information for that is often absent.
I do not outright tell somebody he/she is wrong. That is debate. If I feel something needs tweaking, I’ll tweak it, but not expecting somebody to feel threatened and have to take a defensive position. I am looking for dialog, not hurling retorts in a contest to see who is right and who is wrong.

 

[TexanKnight]

My statement assumes that both Mormons and Christians exist in the real world. There is no such thing as President of the World, ergo neither you nor anyone else can be one. Does the Bible spell out everything? If not, you shouldn’t expect me to either.

again…you change the rules.

You said,’ They are because they say they are". You did not allow for ANY facts to be a consideration.

then, again, when faced with the ludicrous nature of that argument, you have changed the rules to allow for some facts to be important, but only those YOU believe are salient facts.

Sorry…that does not fly. If facts were not an issue in your original statement, then they should not be now and you need to refer to me as the king of the world.

 

[TexanKnight]

I agree. In my personal experience, some Christians of the Protestant variety refused to talk to me or associate with me when I was Mormon because I wasn’t a Christian. Those who think Mormons are Christian probably don’t know the details regarding Mormon theology and the “mysteries of God” as defined by the Mormons.

it happens both ways. I had Christian friends who left when I became LDS and LDS friends who left when I became Christian.

But, tot their credit, the Christians who left never tried to kidnap my kids like the Mormons did

 

[kimg901]

Utah is filled to the brim with stories of non-Mormons being shunned by Mormons. It is a strange environment here, where LDS befriend you in an effort to convert you, or ignore you because you are not LDS. A few are “normal”, and can be friendly just because they are. The ex and never Mormons tend to bond together, everyone from all faiths and no-faith, finding commonality in being the minority.

I can relate and so can my kids. It hurts as a parent when your child tells you the other kids wont play with them because they are not lds. It also makes me mad when kids at public schools rip the crucifix from my kids neck (true story) and tell my kids they are going to hell. Who teaches 3rd and 5th graders such behavior? Does the school care? Nope. Officials say maybe our kids shouldn’t wear them. Too bad we don’t live in the old west.

 

[kimg901]

TexanKnight’s response is good, but let’s try this now. “Curt” acknowledges that there are many kinds of DUCKS.

“Curt” even acknowledges that billed beaver thing-y as a DUCK, just a different kind, of course.

IT’S AFREAKIN’ PLATYPUS!

“Curt” protests, “Yes, but it has a bill, it lives in watery environments, IT EVEN LAYS EGGS! It’s a DUCK, just a different kind.”

But it’s a MAMMAL. Ducks are BIRRRDS!

“Curt” protests still…
Such is the challenge which Christianity faces today in this post-modernist world.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_image...unity/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/platypus.jpg
This is a Duck------------------------&------------------------This is a Platypus

And Our Hypothetical Curt is just Wrong.
(Oh Curt)
:nope:

Its a platyduck. I never seen a platypus flying around the marshes here in Utah so its not a duck. And ive shot a lot of ducks. Good for my tummy.

 

[meltzerboy]

again…you change the rules.

You said,’ They are because they say they are". You did not allow for ANY facts to be a consideration.

then, again, when faced with the ludicrous nature of that argument, you have changed the rules to allow for some facts to be important, but only those YOU believe are salient facts.

Sorry…that does not fly. If facts were not an issue in your original statement, then they should not be now and you need to refer to me as the king of the world.

First President of the World, now king of the world? But since facts don’t matter, I apologize Your Majesty.

 

[twopekinguys]

I can relate and so can my kids. It hurts as a parent when your child tells you the other kids wont play with them because they are not lds. It also makes me mad when kids at public schools rip the crucifix from my kids neck (true story) and tell my kids they are going to hell. Who teaches 3rd and 5th graders such behavior? Does the school care? Nope. Officials say maybe our kids shouldn’t wear them. Too bad we don’t live in the old west.

Do you realize how long I would have to be in confession if something like that ever happened to my kid?

Of course, that would be after I posted bail.

 

[CarolNoel]

Utah is filled to the brim with stories of non-Mormons being shunned by Mormons. It is a strange environment here, where LDS befriend you in an effort to convert you, or ignore you because you are not LDS. A few are “normal”, and can be friendly just because they are. The ex and never Mormons tend to bond together, everyone from all faiths and no-faith, finding commonality in being the minority.

I lived in SLC and Provo for four years and the first question upon meeting anyone was “Are you of the faith?” I knew what that meant, but always answered yes I am a practicing member of the one true Catholic faith. Needless to say, we did not have too many friends while there. Was happy when we could leave.