Are Mormons Christians

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=Porknpie;11413254]And Jesus taught that we should eat his body and drink his blood in the Eucharist. Bread and wine turned into his resurrected body.
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So do you have to follow some of his teachings or just certain ones to be a Christian?
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I sota recall [Paul I think?] saying someting to the effect that breaking cf. “a part of the law is the SAME as breaking the entire law.”

One can be a “Christian” or for that matter a “Catholic” by CLAIMING “to know Christ.”

I just responded to this issue a few moments ago. BUT to ACTUALLY be a “Christian” and even more so a “Catholic-Christian” REQUIRES Full knowedge and consent. Behind this truth [always singular] is that GOD IS IN CHARGE and Commands we do everything in FULL accord with His Devine and Perfect unerring Will.👍

That is precisely WHY:
One [true] God
Can and DOES have only One set of Faith beliefs which He did not wait more than 1,000 years to intoduce.
AND Founded, and Deisires ONLY the One Church so everyone Can know where to find His Truth. READ Mk. 16:14-15 and Mt. 28:16-20 and see for yourself this is Christ desire and Command.🙂

God Bless you,
Patrick
 
=titletown15;11414351]Jesse Conley. All I was doing in my post was refuting a claim that Mormons reject the concept of the Trinity. It is a fact that they baptize using the names of the Christian Trinity. So he’s either a liar or fool.
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My dear friend,

Can we PLEASE use Christian Charity her:shrug:

Misinformed and lacking understanding are a VERY LONG way from being a “fool.”👍

The ISSUE with Morons and “Christian terminology” IS NOT IN THE WORDS USED; but in the RIGHT understanding of those same words.🙂

They [mis] use a number of words we Use: “God and Christ” for example have a different understanding to THEM, than they do for “us.”:rolleyes:

But that is no reason for a lack of charity:D

God Bless you!
Patrick
 
mtolympus said:
Not in those words exactly, but that can be found in Chapter 2 of the book of Daniel.🙂
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Hi Mtolympus!

Daniel 2 is one of my favorites Bible’s passages. Many valuable things are said there, in my opinion.

I believe that the fourth kingdom is the Roman Empire. And that “in the lifetime of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom” (Daniel 2, 44).

It’s of a paramount importance when it says that “[it] shall never be destroyed or delivered up to another people; …], and it shall stand forever” (Daniel 2, 44). So The Kingdom is forever and a total apostasy is utterly discarded.

I also match this passage with that of Matthew 16:16-18.
  • There’s a stone cut by the God from Heaven in Daniel and Peter (rock) being called by Jesus in Matthew.
  • There’s a growing mountain from the stone in Daniel and a Church that will be built over Peter (stone) in Matthew.
  • The Kingdom is forever in Daniel and also the Church in Matthew.
  • The Church and the Kingdom are identified thank to the keys of the Kingdom given to Peter.
All this is fundamental because once the kingdom is set it cannot be defeated. I believe that the Kingdom was started by Christ in His First Coming and now is growing. Just like in Daniel, this Kingdom is growing and becoming a mountain that covers the whole earth.

And it makes sense. If Jesus started His Church in the First Century it will have to endure up to the end of times.
 
HojaVerde said:
Hi Mtolympus!

Daniel 2 is one of my favorites Bible’s passages. Many valuable things are said there, in my opinion.

I believe that the fourth kingdom is the Roman Empire. And that “in the lifetime of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom” (Daniel 2, 44).

It’s of a paramount importance when it says that “[it] shall never be destroyed or delivered up to another people; …], and it shall stand forever” (Daniel 2, 44). So The Kingdom is forever and a total apostasy is utterly discarded.

I also match this passage with that of Matthew 16:16-18.
  • There’s a stone cut by the God from Heaven in Daniel and Peter (rock) being called by Jesus in Matthew.
  • There’s a growing mountain from the stone in Daniel and a Church that will be built over Peter (stone) in Matthew.
  • The Kingdom is forever in Daniel and also the Church in Matthew.
  • The Church and the Kingdom are identified thank to the keys of the Kingdom given to Peter.
All this is fundamental because once the kingdom is set it cannot be defeated. I believe that the Kingdom was started by Christ in His First Coming and now is growing. Just like in Daniel, this Kingdom is growing and becoming a mountain that covers the whole earth.

And it makes sense. If Jesus started His Church in the First Century it will have to endure up to the end of times.
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👍 Great post!
 
=HojaVerde;11415875]Hi Mtolympus!
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Daniel 2 is one of my favorites Bible’s passages. Many valuable things are said there, in my opinion.
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I believe that the fourth kingdom is the Roman Empire. And that “in the lifetime of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom” (Daniel 2, 44).
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It’s of a paramount importance when it says that “[it] shall never be destroyed or delivered up to another people; …], and it shall stand forever” (Daniel 2, 44). So The Kingdom is forever and a total apostasy is utterly discarded.
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I also match this passage with that of Matthew 16:16-18.
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  • There’s a stone cut by the God from Heaven in Daniel and Peter (rock) being called by Jesus in Matthew.
  • There’s a growing mountain from the stone in Daniel and a Church that will be built over Peter (stone) in Matthew.
  • The Kingdom is forever in Daniel and also the Church in Matthew.
  • The Church and the Kingdom are identified thank to the keys of the Kingdom given to Peter.
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All this is fundamental because once the kingdom is set it cannot be defeated. I believe that the Kingdom was started by Christ in His First Coming and now is growing. Just like in Daniel, this Kingdom is growing and becoming a mountain that covers the whole earth.
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And it makes sense. If Jesus started His Church in the First Century it will have to endure up to the end of times.
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VERY nicely done friend:thumbsup:

Thank you!
Patrick
 
nmgauss said:
Wise giving is better than knee-jerk giving. If you believe that the alcoholic is on the wagon, there is no harm in giving him water instead of alcohol. My father’s uncle was an alcoholic and his family refused to give him any alcoholic drink. My uncle died of cirrhosis of the liver because of heavy drinking, so giving him alcohol would not be good. If you assess that a heroin addict as having only a mild addiction (perhaps a friend of yours), giving him heroin is not wise giving.
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But that isn’t what you said originally now is it? Do I need to quote it?
BTW, my brother died of alcoholic cirrhosis 15 years after being diagnosed with only 10 percent liver function. He drank the entire time. Each case is different.
nmgauss said:
There are passages in Scripture worth following, but just because it is Scripture, it is not automatically infallible.
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What gives you the authority to dictate which Scripture are or are not worth following?

I’m sorry, but,** any Scripture that involves a teaching directly from Christ** (as the ones I provided) are definitely worth following, and must be followed.

I am surprised you have tipped your hand on this one, and have proven yourself to be a troll.
 
zaffiroborant said:
Well he’s moved from, people should have to be worthy and earn help and calling that charity, to saying giving to people in need (feed the hungry, clothe the naked…) is providing alcohol and drugs. And I guess it’s better to let children starve to death rather than feed them something they might be allergic to. Sounds like trolling.
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You caught that too? 😉
 
nmgauss said:
There are passages in Scripture worth following, but just because it is Scripture, it is not automatically infallible.
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better said that scripture is inerrant and inspired. The Catholic Church is infallible on faith and morals.
 
LivingWaters7 said:
Latter-day Saints reject the orthodox understanding of the Trinity.

Please see these for how various LDS leaders and members view the orthodox Trinity:

The Only True God and Jesus Christ Whom He Hath Sent

Comparing LDS Beliefs With First-Century Christianity

Is the LDS View of God Consistent with the Bible?

Encyclopedia of Mormonism-Godhead
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This is taken from a website called Transporter. It was created by a gentleman named Steven Clifford who is a Catholic Convert from Mormonism.

Do Mormons believe in the Holy Trinity?
NO!

The LDS church teaches: •There is a Godhead consisting of God the Eternal Father, His son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.

•Each member of the Godhead is physically separate and distinct from the other two.

•The three members of the Godhead (God the Father, His son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost) are united in purpose (not in being).

•There is but one God, or Godhead, to whom the inhabitants of the earth are subject.

•God the Father created other worlds through His son Jesus Christ.
 
Patrick, OK, I have now been chastised. I was un-Christian in calling the poster a liar or a fool. I do agree with all the points you made because I understand them. I do not consider myself an American Catholic but a Roman Catholic. Thanks for your Bishop Sheen quote; I remember watching him as a child. No hard feelings and God Bless.
 
There is a concept in the OT called Divine Assembly:

The Book of Psalms (Psalm 82:1), states “1 God (אֱלֹהִ֔ים elohim) stands in the divine assembly (בַּעֲדַת-אֵל ); He judges among the gods (אֱלֹהִ֔ים elohim)” (אֱלֹהִים נִצָּב בַּעֲדַת־אֵל בְּקֶרֶב אֱלֹהִים יִשְׁפֹּט). The meaning of the two occurrences of “elohim” has been debated by scholars, with some suggesting both words refer to YHWH, while others propose that God rules over a divine assembly of other Gods or angels.[9] Some translations of the passage render “God (elohim) stands in the congregation of the mighty to judge the heart as God (elohim)”[10] (the Hebrew is “beqerev elohim”, “in the midst of gods”, and the word “qerev” if it were in the plural would mean “internal organs”[11]). Later in this Psalm, the word “gods” is used (in the KJV): Psalm 82:6 - “I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High.” Instead of “gods”, another version has “godlike beings”,[12] but here again, the word is elohim/elohiym (Strong’s H430).[13] This passage is quoted in the New Testament in John 10:34.

Perhaps Mormons get their ideas from these passages.
 
nmgauss said:
There is a concept in the OT called Divine Assembly:

The Book of Psalms (Psalm 82:1), states “1 God (אֱלֹהִ֔ים elohim) stands in the divine assembly (בַּעֲדַת-אֵל ); He judges among the gods (אֱלֹהִ֔ים elohim)” (אֱלֹהִים נִצָּב בַּעֲדַת־אֵל בְּקֶרֶב אֱלֹהִים יִשְׁפֹּט). The meaning of the two occurrences of “elohim” has been debated by scholars, with some suggesting both words refer to YHWH, while others propose that God rules over a divine assembly of other Gods or angels.[9] Some translations of the passage render “God (elohim) stands in the congregation of the mighty to judge the heart as God (elohim)”[10] (the Hebrew is “beqerev elohim”, “in the midst of gods”, and the word “qerev” if it were in the plural would mean “internal organs”[11]). Later in this Psalm, the word “gods” is used (in the KJV): Psalm 82:6 - “I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High.” Instead of “gods”, another version has “godlike beings”,[12] but here again, the word is elohim/elohiym (Strong’s H430).[13] This passage is quoted in the New Testament in John 10:34.

Perhaps Mormons get their ideas from these passages.
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What ideas?
 
I thought she might have meant Mormons get the idea of proving Christian beliefs by quoting the Old Testament.
Not real Christian beliefs just the ones Joseph Smith made up; like polygamy
 
While the Elohim thing is interesting, I think the first commandment should suffice to recall the actual number gods posited in the Hebrew religion.
 
Are you referring to present day Judaism? In OT days, Yahweh, Marduk, El, and Baal were recognized. Since only one was supposed to be worshipped, it was up to the people to choose. I think it was OK in certain time periods to accept that there is more than one God, but not OK to worship more than one.
 
nmgauss said:
Are you referring to present day Judaism? In OT days, Yahweh, Marduk, El, and Baal were recognized. Since only one was supposed to be worshipped, it was up to the people to choose. I think it was OK in certain time periods to accept that there is more than one God, but not OK to worship more than one.
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Are you claiming that Mormons are Jewish?
 
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