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Kaninchen
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Reading CA forums one gets a similar impression about Catholics and Cafeteria Catholics.
Non-Orthodox are merely naughty Jews.
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wifeandmomoftwo
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Isa_Almisry
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Mussolini.
Pakistan. See how well that’s worked?I want a special place mandated by the UN just for Catholics
And what about muslims,
Called India. They’ve had to ban conversions, because Hindus converting.
India was a Buddhist empire (Asoka, whose pillar is a symbol of India). It went back to Hinduism.
On whether Jews are competent to decide who is a Jew, the battles in Jerusalem on the issue cast doubt.
Many Jews, if your mother wasn’t Jewish, will not accept you as a Jew, no matter who observant you are (the Talmud says they have to pray “O God of their fathers,” not “our”). I know many Orthodox Jews (by observance, belief) who had to convert to Conservative Judaism over this.
On the reverse, if your mother was Jewish, no matter how much you are baptized and go to communion, they consider you Jewish.
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Isa_Almisry
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Cant’ argue there.No that is more like see how well the Brtis made a mess of things
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AgnosTheist
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Who cares what jews are. They have the moral right to rule palestine because they conquered it fair and square. Many a nation are results of conquest. Like the turkish nation…stolen from the greeks. USA- stolen from native americans.
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wifeandmomoftwo
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Conquered, is that what we call what the UN did?
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AgnosTheist
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Its debatable on whether or not the UN had a right to partition a land belonging to a people who occupied it for more than a thousand years. Regardless, after the 1948 war the arabs lost a lot of its UN partitioned land to the jews. Their conquest backfired and they got conquered instead. Fair & square. Eh?
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lukewarm
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The same UN that gave Israel to the Jews also made “land grabs” during war illegal. They’ve also made puting up settlements on Palestinian land illegal. In fact Israel has flouted more UN resolutions than Iraq, Iran, and North Korea combined.
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"During the period between 1967 and 2000, Iraq was the subject of 69 Security Council resolutions. By comparison, Israel, our closest “ally” in the Middle East, has been the subject of 138 resolutions. Not surprisingly, most of those resolutions call upon Israel to comply with basic principles of international law embodied by the UN Charter. Many of them condemn actions taken by Israel and call upon Israel on more than one occasion to comply with previous resolutions that Israel ignored and continues to ignore to this day. "*
“(The Council) Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive and lasting peace in the Middle East; Calls once more upon Israel, as the occupying power, to abide scrupulously by the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, to rescind it’s previous measures and to desist from taking any action which would result in changing the legal status and geographical nature and materially affecting the demographic composition of the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, and in particular, not to transfer parts of its own civilian population into the occupied Arab territories.”
mediamonitors.net/michaelsladah&suleimaniajlouni1.html
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de_profundis
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fine. I did a little studying:
Despite recent contrary genetic evidence[10] , and a lack of any real mainstream scholarly support, this belief is still popular among groups such as the Christian Identity Movement, Black Hebrews, British Israelitists and others who claim that they are the descendants of Israel instead of the Jews and seek to downplay the connection between the Jewish people and their Israelite ancestors.
You said it right there - “despite recent contrary genetic evidence”. Thread solved
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Kaninchen
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I’m sure that that’s terribly, terribly interesting and I’m sure you’re very, very cross about it but what’s that got to do with what I’ve written?
You want to argue about Israel, find an Israeli, I’m a European.
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de_profundis
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So in your opinion, was Jesus born of Jews or Khazars?
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wifeandmomoftwo
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Bunny sorry Kaninchen, he more than likely quoted the wrong post.
But isn’t Israel all about/ all for people of Israeli descent? Or am I mistaken only Israelies in Israel are concerned about Israel?
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Kaninchen
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If I/we wanted to be Israeli, we’d move to Israel - Aliyah has never been a temptation. Quite why people think that, because somebody is Jewish, they can’t wait to discuss the subject, I can’t imagine.
Just so you know . . .
Do I think that Israel should have a right to exist? - Yes
Do I agree with Israeli policy? - Sometimes
What do I think of the settlements (ie ‘Greater Israel’)? - Get out the bulldozers
OK?
That’s my lot on the subject of Israel.
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Kaninchen
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In another discussion, I told you that I don’t do Israel. It’s not a ‘sore spot’, just tiring to be expected to go through the rituals of ‘pro-Israeli’/‘anti-Israeli’ argument.Ok Bunny, sorry for touching a sore spot!
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wifeandmomoftwo
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My bad … so sorry I did not remember
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Isa_Almisry
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Btw, such evidenc also showed that the Jewish priesthood is descended from a single male c. 1300, i.e. Aaron.You said it right there - “despite recent contrary genetic evidence”. Thread solved
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Valke2
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One down, 2,453,332 to go.You said it right there - “despite recent contrary genetic evidence”. Thread solved
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