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If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will he be accepted of God; and in the next life, he will be in the ranks of those who have lost themselves and will burn in hell. (Qur’an 3:85)
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You won’t get a straight answer.
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Salaam/peace
Verily, Allâh forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allâh in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin. 4:48
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If I start worshipping human being & angel & die without repentance , will be in fire forever.
Verily, Allâh forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allâh in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin. 4:48
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rossum
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How does this differ from Extra ecclesiam nulla salus? Since I am neither Muslim nor Catholic both have the same practical effect: they both tell me that I am going to hell.
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“Outside the Church there is no salvation” is a negative way of saying salvation comes from Christ through His Body. Since Christ is the Savior of the world, and He is the Head of the Church, all salvation comes from Him through the Church, which is His Body because the Holy Eucharist makes the Church.
To give an example: Let’s say an evil man is dying. He was a murderer and an adulterer. But he is truly sorry for his sins, and, having no other refuge, and wishing to be consoled in his dreary hour, he calls on God to have mercy on him. The Lord will forgive him his sin, and he will be baptized through baptism of desire - that is, since he is unable to be baptized at the hour of death, yet he desires baptism in light of his desire for Mercy, the Lord will grant his soul the graces of baptism: renewal, forgiveness of all sins, and washing away of Original Sin. Having been baptized, the man is now a member of the Church - and so, he has salvation.
All the saints have salvation, because Jesus is the Salvation of believers. The blessed enjoy Jesus in Heaven, the holy souls are saved yet still need purging from sin before entering Heaven, and the soldiers have Jesus in the Holy Sacrament. But the Christian who commits mortal sin dose not have Christ, for he has cut himself off from Christ, who is the Life, by committing a deadly sin; he has killed his soul, he has lost salvation. But if he repents and goes to Confession, his life will be returned to him: he will be risen from the dead by Jesus, spiritually speaking, just as Jesus rose Lazarus from the dead, physically speaking.
But I am not a theologian, so if I am wrong, please correct me.
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Those outside the Church have salvation through the Church in that the Church’s prayers obtain graces from Christ for all souls; hence, the suffering are consoled, the afraid recieve courage, the sick are healed, and the dead are risen. All of this is from Christ, through His Church. The reason Jesus acts through His Church is because the Church is His Body, and Jesus is never without His Body, that is, the Body which God took when He became man. The Mediatrix office of Mary sheds more light on the Church’s role.
But not only through the spiritual means of prayer, but also through the corporal means of charity and mercy, dose the Church work to save the world. Everything of the Church is spiritual and corporal, invislbe and visible: the interpretation of the Word is spiritual and literal, the works of mercy are spiritual and corporal (for example, admonishing sinners and feeding the hungry), the Church’s efforts in saving the world is spiritual and physical (for example, prayer and visitng the imprisoned), the Church herself is visible and invisible (Human and Divine, just as Jesus is Human and Divine), and the sacraments are literal and spiritual (for example, sacramental marriage and spiritual marriage).
The Church imitates her Jesus in working among men, saving souls, and, in saving souls, spreading the glad tidings of the Kingdom of God among men. And just as Jesus, in His work, reveals He is God, so too dose the Church, in her work, reveal her divine origin, and, more importantly, the Divinity of Jesus Christ. This isn’t to say Jesus and His Church are careless of souls, but rather, in taking care of souls, Jesus and His Church spread the gospel and proclaim Jesus Christ: just as a man dose penance as a sign of his turning to God from sin, so dose the Church do good works as a sign of her origin in Jesus, and so dose Jesus do good works as a sign of His Divinity and of His doing the Father’s Will. He, at once, shows us who He is and how we ought to be, and the Church follows His example: “Be holy, just as your Father in Heaven is holy.”
But please correct me if I’m wrong, and I’m sorry for going off-topic.
But not only through the spiritual means of prayer, but also through the corporal means of charity and mercy, dose the Church work to save the world. Everything of the Church is spiritual and corporal, invislbe and visible: the interpretation of the Word is spiritual and literal, the works of mercy are spiritual and corporal (for example, admonishing sinners and feeding the hungry), the Church’s efforts in saving the world is spiritual and physical (for example, prayer and visitng the imprisoned), the Church herself is visible and invisible (Human and Divine, just as Jesus is Human and Divine), and the sacraments are literal and spiritual (for example, sacramental marriage and spiritual marriage).
The Church imitates her Jesus in working among men, saving souls, and, in saving souls, spreading the glad tidings of the Kingdom of God among men. And just as Jesus, in His work, reveals He is God, so too dose the Church, in her work, reveal her divine origin, and, more importantly, the Divinity of Jesus Christ. This isn’t to say Jesus and His Church are careless of souls, but rather, in taking care of souls, Jesus and His Church spread the gospel and proclaim Jesus Christ: just as a man dose penance as a sign of his turning to God from sin, so dose the Church do good works as a sign of her origin in Jesus, and so dose Jesus do good works as a sign of His Divinity and of His doing the Father’s Will. He, at once, shows us who He is and how we ought to be, and the Church follows His example: “Be holy, just as your Father in Heaven is holy.”
But please correct me if I’m wrong, and I’m sorry for going off-topic.
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please stop dancing and answer the question or just do not answer the post why are you talking about worshipping human your religion is about the worship of a man all Christian worship Jesus Christ who is God and not some fair tell religion,Please look at the question and then try to answer it,it not a hard question. as a muslin do you ever pray to GOD. have a good day and I will keep you in my prays---- as I reread you answer all I see is rubbish
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SedesDomi
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This verse (especially the “desire” part) sounds very much like the Catholic idea of baptism by desire, in which someone who desires water baptism, but is somehow unable to undergo it, can still receive the fruits of baptism.
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Yes all non muslims are going to earn hell.
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SedesDomi
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Which is not all that different from what many fundamentalist Protestants say: anyone not a Christian in this life, will definitely not be saved.
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Bill_Pick
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All muslin will be there first so will we have roam
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Muslim_Woman
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Salaam/peace
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All Jews & Christians won’t be in hell . Those who passed away before the coming of the last Prophet (pbuh) & who worshipped one God only & followed their holy book correctly --will be in heaven
Whenever any Prophet came , it was a must for the people to accept him as a messenger of God. Disobeying a messenger means disobeying God , revolting against Him. So , after the coming of the last Prophet , it’s a must for all to accept him & follow the final holy book of God . Disbelievers will get their rewards in this world only.
And God knows Best.
Salaam/peace
many Muslims will be thrown in fire on the Judgment Day . After spending their days/months/years…as a reward for not taking deity besides the one true Lord , finally by the mercy of God they will be able to come out
some more info:
All Jews & Christians won’t be in hell . Those who passed away before the coming of the last Prophet (pbuh) & who worshipped one God only & followed their holy book correctly --will be in heaven
Whenever any Prophet came , it was a must for the people to accept him as a messenger of God. Disobeying a messenger means disobeying God , revolting against Him. So , after the coming of the last Prophet , it’s a must for all to accept him & follow the final holy book of God . Disbelievers will get their rewards in this world only.
And God knows Best.
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SedesDomi
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Will Disbelievers also be able to eventually come out of hell?many Muslims will be thrown in fire on the Judgment Day . After spending their days/months/years…as a reward for not taking deity besides the one true Lord , finally by the mercy of God they will be able to come out
…Disbelievers will get their rewards in this world only.
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that person has to be a legitimate prophet and we have proven time and again that mohammed was not.many Muslims will be thrown in fire on the Judgment Day . After spending their days/months/years…as a reward for not taking deity besides the one true Lord , finally by the mercy of God they will be able to come out
some more info:
All Jews & Christians won’t be in hell . Those who passed away before the coming of the last Prophet (pbuh) & who worshipped one God only & followed their holy book correctly --will be in heaven
Whenever any Prophet came , it was a must for the people to accept him as a messenger of God. Disobeying a messenger means disobeying God , revolting against Him. So , after the coming of the last Prophet , it’s a must for all to accept him & follow the final holy book of God . Disbelievers will get their rewards in this world only.
And God knows Best.
Do we have to go over that again?
- he was not from the line of prophets
- he changed the message of the previous prophets, not only the message of the New Testament but mohammed threw out the 10 Commandments and defined sin of which he didn’t even follow himself - such as committing the sin of shirk himself.
- he changed his message quite often to suit himself most of the time
- he was not authenticated by God (Deuteronomy 18:21-22)
- A prophet must speak in the name of God, Yahweh, or YHWH. In the 99 names of God - YHWH is never mentioned, nor is ‘Father’
- islam appeals to man’s lower nature, not his higher nature.
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Salaam/peace
is eternal fire. If any Muslim starts worshipping Muhammed (pbuh) & die without repentance , s/he will be in fire. God will reward those who worshipped Him alone.
Surely, they have disbelieved who say: “Allah is the Messiah (Iesa (Jesus)), son of Maryam (Mary).”
But the Messiah (Iesa (Jesus)) said: “O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him, and the fire will be his abode.
And for the Zalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #72)
Salaam/peace
Shirk is the most major sin in Islam . If die without sincere repentance , only punishment
is eternal fire. If any Muslim starts worshipping Muhammed (pbuh) & die without repentance , s/he will be in fire. God will reward those who worshipped Him alone.
Surely, they have disbelieved who say: “Allah is the Messiah (Iesa (Jesus)), son of Maryam (Mary).”
But the Messiah (Iesa (Jesus)) said: “O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him, and the fire will be his abode.
And for the Zalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #72)
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The Council of Florence makes it very clear:
"The holy Roman Church believes, professes, and preaches that no one remaining outside the Catholic Church, not just pagans, but also Jews or heretics or schismatics, can become partakers of eternal life; but they will go to the ‘everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels’ (Matt. 25:41), unless before the end of life they are joined to the Church.
For the union with the body of the Church is of such importance that the sacraments of the Church are helpful to salvation only for those remaining in it; and fasts, almsgiving, other works of piety, and the exercise of Christian warfare bear eternal rewards for them alone. And no one can be saved, no matter how much alms he has given, even if he sheds his blood for the name of Christ, unless he remains in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church."
"The holy Roman Church believes, professes, and preaches that no one remaining outside the Catholic Church, not just pagans, but also Jews or heretics or schismatics, can become partakers of eternal life; but they will go to the ‘everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels’ (Matt. 25:41), unless before the end of life they are joined to the Church.
For the union with the body of the Church is of such importance that the sacraments of the Church are helpful to salvation only for those remaining in it; and fasts, almsgiving, other works of piety, and the exercise of Christian warfare bear eternal rewards for them alone. And no one can be saved, no matter how much alms he has given, even if he sheds his blood for the name of Christ, unless he remains in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church."
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Salaam/peace
many Muslims will be thrown in fire on the Judgment Day . After spending their days/months/years…as a reward for not taking deity besides the one true Lord , finally by the mercy of God they will be able to come out
some more info:
All Jews & Christians won’t be in hell . Those who passed away before the coming of the last Prophet (pbuh) & who worshipped one God only & followed their holy book correctly --will be in heaven
Whenever any Prophet came , it was a must for the people to accept him as a messenger of God. Disobeying a messenger means disobeying God , revolting against Him. So , after the coming of the last Prophet , it’s a must for all to accept him & follow the final holy book of God . Disbelievers will get their rewards in this world only.
And God knows Best./QUOTE
It looks like all believers of Our Lord Jesus Christ will be in heaven drinking some person wine and having a great time,sorry heaven is FULL. Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name;
thy kingdom come; thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses
as we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not
into temptation but deliver us from evil. Amen.
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No one said to worship your allah in the Bible.
You need to worry about yourself and your religion instead of worrying about us and our religion.
As for the muslim’s obsession about others - whether they be polytheists, or pagans, or Jews, or Christians - it is really none of your business. Muslims are not the judge and in fact when they judge others on this earth they are committing shirk. They are putting themselves at the level of God and carrying not only a judgement, but usually the trial and execution of those people! God is our judge - NOT muslims. The hypocracy in islam is neverending, as is their eternal war with us.
In fact, if there was a name that belongs to God that is missing in islam, it is ‘Yahweh’ or YHWH. No where is it mentioned in the koran or hadiths. Neither is ‘Father’ when refering to their allah. Well, deceiver is mentioned! That is very telling. How are they to trust their allah if it is known as a deceiver?!
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