Are Muslims Commanded to Lie?

[JMJ_coder]

Hello,

Muslim deception approved by the Koran
May 18th, 2007 by Double Tap

Taqiyya, or dissimulation, is a form of deception which Muslims use to conceal the truth. This Islamic concept to deceive an enemy (i.e., non-Muslim, infidel, kafir, etc.) is not only a common practice, but is considered a virtue among Muslims. It is used by all Muslims, not just Shias as Sunnis will assert.

Keep this in mind when you hear Muslims condemn ‘terrorism’ (make them define terrorism. It will rarely include Jihadis attacks against non-Muslims, especially those from the West). Keep this in mind when Muslims say Islam forbids the killing of innocents (non-Muslims are not considered innocent).

This video uses secret recordings to catch Muslims using Taqiyya against non-Muslims. It also reveals some of what goes on behind closed Mosque doors - the truth about radical and ‘moderate’ Muslims.

Remember what Muhammad said:

“Lying is wrong, except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between people”

And the koran:

“And when ye go forth in the land, it is no sin for you to curtail (your) worship if ye fear that those who disbelieve may attack you. In truth the disbelievers are an open enemy to you.” (Surah 4:101)

“Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them.” (Surah 3:28)

Well, is this true?

 

[ibkc]

As I understand it, taqiyya is widely accepted and practiced among the Shia, but a bit less widely so among the Sunnis. It is not supposed to be used unless a Muslim is directly threatened, but obviously, it is a doctrine which has a lot of potential for abuse.

 

[meedo]

Taqiyya, or dissimulation, is a form of deception which Muslims use to conceal the truth.

Teqqyia is a shia concept. go to Shia forum and ask about it. As a sunni i am not really aware of what it is as it s not somthing we learn in our faith

This Islamic concept to deceive an enemy (i.e., non-Muslim, infidel, kafir, etc.) is not only a common practice, but is considered a virtue among Muslims. It is used by all Muslims, not just Shias as Sunnis will assert.

False

Keep this in mind when you hear Muslims condemn ‘terrorism’ (make them define terrorism. It will rarely include Jihadis attacks against non-Muslims, especially those from the West). Keep this in mind when Muslims say Islam forbids the killing of innocents (non-Muslims are not considered innocent).
False

This video uses secret recordings to catch Muslims using Taqiyya against non-Muslims. It also reveals some of what goes on behind closed Mosque doors - the truth about radical and ‘moderate’ Muslims.

** I am replying to your post , i will see the video later and reply again**

Remember what Muhammad said:

“Lying is wrong, except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between people”

true Muhammed said that and there is nothing wrong with it. You are allowed in war to claim that you are having an airstrike on the 7th of december and suddenly strike on the 9th . You are allowed to describe your wife with characteristics that she desnt have like fi she asks you if she is too fat or ugly, the reason is not to hurt her feelings and to save the marriage . If two of your friends are at odds with each other, you are allowed to go to each separately and tell him that the other wants to reconcile and that he says good things about the other. thus tyou reconcile people togeather instead of leaving them at odds

And the koran:

“And when ye go forth in the land, it is no sin for you to curtail (your) worship if ye fear that those who disbelieve may attack you. In truth the disbelievers are an open enemy to you.” (Surah 4:101)

This verse has nothing to do with lying , it has to do with shortening the 5 daily prayers in time of war

“Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them.” (Surah 3:28)[/INDENT]

This verse has nothing to do with taking non muslims as friends, it has to do when there is a non beluever group is harming the believer community then you arent allowed to side wirth teh unbeliever community even if they were your old friends as long as the believer community cause is just ofcourse

Well, is this true?

**The truth is what makes sense to your brain even if you wish to believer otherwise. i can spend my whole life defending islam but it is of no value if you made up your mind already to believe someone else. If you are asking muslims to explain to you their faith well i just did. If you decide to think that i am a liar then our discussion is futile. The esiest thing to do is to believe taht whomever you dont agree with are liars. Then you end up the discussion vbefore it starts. **

Be well, bye

 

[Valke2]

DIdn’t Paul basacially say he lied to potential converts depending on the situation. Something like, if I am talking to a Jew, I am a Jew, if I"m talking to an X, I am an X.

As for lying in war. Duh.

As for lying to make peace between people, you may not agree with the practice, but it is certainly no evidence of a moral corruptness. Look at the story of Sarah laughing at Abraham and then what God actually says to Abraham. Or the story in Joshua when a prostitute lies about the people hiding in her home. Or the story about the Egyptian or Hebrew (depending on your commentary) midwives who lie to Pharoah in order to protect the first born.

 

[meedo]

Hello,

Muslim deception approved by the Koran
May 18th, 2007 by Double Tap

i saw the video.

clearly this man from the group called Almuhajeroon said one thing to some press reporter and another opinion infront of other group of press.

So you can say for sure that he has changed his mind. However it seems also that it wasnt secret that he did so. He changed his mind infront of a whole big press conference. So he didnt sort of publicly turned to be moderate and secretly was a fundamentalist. in both cases he was having an interview with the press. Even if he changed his mind, that doesnt make me change mine. if you like to take him as a sample of teh muslim world ofcourse its fine. But he isnt a representative of the mainstream muslim world. Again like i said in a previous post, at the end of the day it si what you will choose to believe taht will represent teh truth for you.

Good luck in your search.

bye

This other guy abu hamza is clearly a nut. because if muslims were follwoing his teachings there wouldnt be any single non muslim in muslim lands by now. his opinions are not the opinions of muslims and actually what he said there ws outright against the Quran and hadeeth. I am happy he is in jail.

 

[JMJ_coder]

Hello,

DIdn’t Paul basacially say he lied to potential converts depending on the situation. Something like, if I am talking to a Jew, I am a Jew, if I"m talking to an X, I am an X.

No, Saint Paul is not saying it is o.k. to lie.

The Scriptures you are thinking of is this:

1 Corinthians 9:19-22

Although I am free in regard to all, I have made myself a slave to all so as to win over as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew to win over Jews; to those under the law I became like one under the law - though I myself am not under the law - to win over those under the law. To those outside the law I became like one outside the law - though I am not outside God’s law but within the law of Christ - to win over those outside the law. To the weak I became weak, to win over the weak. I have become all things to all, to save at least some. All this I do for the sake of the gospel, so that I too may have a share in it.

What does Saint Paul mean by this? He means that you must meet people where they are. In the example of preaching the Gospel, it does no good in evangelizing (when you are first beginning a dialogue) to show how Jesus fulfilled the messianic prophesies talking to a Greek. The Greek has no sense of the Messiah. But it is helpful in show that to the Jews, as they would understand what was being said. If you are speaking with Jews, it would be wise to not serve pork for dinner - but it might be appreciated by the Greeks. If you are talking to big time sinners like drug addicts, a sermon on contemplative prayer would be inappropriate. One on the mercy and forgiveness of God would be much better. You don’t need to prove that God exists to a person who already believes in the existence of God, but that should be the first order of business when talking to an atheist.

You must begin where people are. This is not lying, as all truth will be told in the course of dialogue. But, where do you begin that dialogue, that is the question being answered here.

 

[JMJ_coder]

Hello,

Thanks for the replies. To note, I had just come across this and wanted to know if this was true - I am not the one who wrote it.