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**inJesus, I believe in the Hadith after the Quran and Sunnah. You use only the Hadith. If you say anything adverse then you have to support it from the Quran. But you base all your false case upon Hadith only. i.e. upon the stories of some men. That is not supported by God. You have the example in your bible which is wholy man made. Then see how many false, unnatural, impossible, irrational things are written in your bible. I could easily attack you and your bible by those un-natural statements.
I could also try to use some man made literature (plenty available in the open market) which is extremely dangerous to your cause (such the work od dan Brown etc.)
I had requested you to teach us something good from your book and not to chase Muhammad because it is your futile effort. I do not like to chase jesus unless I am compelled.**
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** This thread was started with bad intentions, such as:
I have replied to that in another thread. But because this disease in the christians is spreading all over the palce, I may give the same reply here too. Please think over.
Would you kindly mention that muhammad married at the age of 25 to a widow who was 40 years old. He lived well with her for about 12 years till she died. Later he, married other ladies. All of them were widows or divorcees. Aisha was the only one virgin wife. She was not so young as you might place her.
When the prophet migrated with Abubakr from Makkah, it was Aisha who had prepared all the food stuff for ordous (Dangerous) journey. She was not a child as you people are reading things. Can you not start a new subject and leave the doubtful things about our prophet.
After all it was not only the marriage with Aisha that was the most important part of his life of our prophet that you are all trying tp propagate. He did many other things too. That is your ill will, bad attitude. We Muslims can clearly see that you have no religion at all. It is all an assumed fanciful wishful thinking that is gone into your bible and your minds. There is nothing true or real. All imaginary beliefs that Mary did not meet her husband (Jospeh the Crapentar even after marriage). that she never saw any man even after giving birth to Jesus. That Jesus is the only sinless man. All thee are your wishful thinking about your own man Jesus. That is your good wishes.
On the other hand you have all the bad wishes for Muhammad. And you are searching unreliable stories out of books for nothing. I tell you that Jesus was a Jew and nothing more than a Jew and he was only for the Jews under the command of the prophet Moses like all the other Israeli prophets. Please understand. he had nothing to do with christianity. He never even thought of starting a new religion which you are carrying around.
So come to these points too. Think about these things and leave the private life of Muhammad alone otherwise please be ready to discuss the very private life of Jesus too on this board. There are many books from the Jewish sources where Jesus belonged.
You should all think over individually and come to the right course about preaching your faith in a good manner. Other wise your bad manners are well known to every one by now.
We all know that church has put a blanket on the first thirty (30) years of Jesus life. Why is that? Where was he and what was he doing? Was he married during that time before he met Mary Magdalene? Was mary magd his second wife?
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I have replied to that in another thread. But because this disease in the christians is spreading all over the palce, I may give the same reply here too. Please think over.
Would you kindly mention that muhammad married at the age of 25 to a widow who was 40 years old. He lived well with her for about 12 years till she died. Later he, married other ladies. All of them were widows or divorcees. Aisha was the only one virgin wife. She was not so young as you might place her.
When the prophet migrated with Abubakr from Makkah, it was Aisha who had prepared all the food stuff for ordous (Dangerous) journey. She was not a child as you people are reading things. Can you not start a new subject and leave the doubtful things about our prophet.
After all it was not only the marriage with Aisha that was the most important part of his life of our prophet that you are all trying tp propagate. He did many other things too. That is your ill will, bad attitude. We Muslims can clearly see that you have no religion at all. It is all an assumed fanciful wishful thinking that is gone into your bible and your minds. There is nothing true or real. All imaginary beliefs that Mary did not meet her husband (Jospeh the Crapentar even after marriage). that she never saw any man even after giving birth to Jesus. That Jesus is the only sinless man. All thee are your wishful thinking about your own man Jesus. That is your good wishes.
On the other hand you have all the bad wishes for Muhammad. And you are searching unreliable stories out of books for nothing. I tell you that Jesus was a Jew and nothing more than a Jew and he was only for the Jews under the command of the prophet Moses like all the other Israeli prophets. Please understand. he had nothing to do with christianity. He never even thought of starting a new religion which you are carrying around.
So come to these points too. Think about these things and leave the private life of Muhammad alone otherwise please be ready to discuss the very private life of Jesus too on this board. There are many books from the Jewish sources where Jesus belonged.
You should all think over individually and come to the right course about preaching your faith in a good manner. Other wise your bad manners are well known to every one by now.
We all know that church has put a blanket on the first thirty (30) years of Jesus life. Why is that? Where was he and what was he doing? Was he married during that time before he met Mary Magdalene? Was mary magd his second wife?
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Muslims have this disease of denial, reinvention and slander toward Jesus, whom they falsely and arrogantly claim to ‘honor’.
Telling lies, and claiming they are ‘true’ just because some deluded person who thought he was a prophet rewrote history and opposed Jesus truth and Word, thinking they are the authority on Christ, only brings more and more people, both in and out of Christianity to see Islam for the false teachings it contains.
Even an athiest can see how Islam attempts to directly deny and change the teachings of Jesus. But Muslims are in deep dark denial.
Jesus did set forth a ‘new religion’ on the planet, He did so with total authority and power granted to him by God over heaven and earth to do so, and those who truly believe and accept Him are commanded to teach what HE gave, not what Muhammad, the imposter, attempted to assert as a ‘correction’ hundreds of years later. What a joke to say that Christians have a disease against Muhammad when it is Muhammad who was diseased in his understanding of Jesus, his lack of knowledge proving he could not be receiving from God who did his greatest work for humanity through Jesus.
Matthew 28:18-20 (King James Version)
18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
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Mohammad was a gone case but if only Muslims could see the awesome power brought about by he death and ressurection of Jesus Christ … . If only they could read the Bible without being prejudiced by the thought that it had been corrupted by humans inventon. If only they believe in their own teaching, the part where God would preserve His word forever. Then it will be as obvious as day is light that the Quran only serves to undo God’s mighty plan of salvation for mankind.
The doctrine of Islam is one of denial of God’s perfect love.
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josie_L
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So, then what’s your point in defending Mohammed, a man who sexually abused a nine year girl?
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and plucked someones eyes out, cut of their limbs, threw them in the desert to die?
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dzheremi
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I find the replies that allege hypocrisy on the part of the Christians (of which there may be some; who here among the non-Muslims would hesitate to defend a prophet of their own religion, particularly a major prophet as Muhammad is to Muslims?) rather interesting, as they seem to want to defuse any discussion of the man’s character and/or his fitness as the model of human behavior by pointing to this or that which God did order in the OT. Am I the only one that thinks that this is easily as presumptuous as a Christian would be in starting a thread like this?
Firstly, it presumes that the actions mandated by God are comparable to the actions performed and/or mandated by Muhammad (or vice-versa) when they’re not. Within that assumption is an idea that the Muslim defense of Muhammad is completely valid as they are working at it from the idea that Muhammad as a prophet is sinless (as all prophets are in Islam, as far as I understand) as God’s chosen vessel to bring the “correct religion” to humanity. In this way, Muhammad’s actions are definitely comparable to the OT God and if you have a problem with one you must necessarily find a similar problem with the other, as Muhammad’s actions and edicts are in fact God’s actions and edicts since God acts through Muhammad, his most perfect of all creations.
Sooooo…ipso facto, God is ultimately responsible for all the terrible things that Muhammad did, and if you have a problem with that, then you’re a “hypocrite”.
(Oh, and none of this is at all making Muhammad a “partner” with Allah in any way. Only Christians do that.)
Firstly, it presumes that the actions mandated by God are comparable to the actions performed and/or mandated by Muhammad (or vice-versa) when they’re not. Within that assumption is an idea that the Muslim defense of Muhammad is completely valid as they are working at it from the idea that Muhammad as a prophet is sinless (as all prophets are in Islam, as far as I understand) as God’s chosen vessel to bring the “correct religion” to humanity. In this way, Muhammad’s actions are definitely comparable to the OT God and if you have a problem with one you must necessarily find a similar problem with the other, as Muhammad’s actions and edicts are in fact God’s actions and edicts since God acts through Muhammad, his most perfect of all creations.
Sooooo…ipso facto, God is ultimately responsible for all the terrible things that Muhammad did, and if you have a problem with that, then you’re a “hypocrite”.
(Oh, and none of this is at all making Muhammad a “partner” with Allah in any way. Only Christians do that.)
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Can anyone name a single “evil” deed that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did that none of the Biblical Prophets (peace be upon them all) before him did as recorded in the Bible?
If Christians and Jews believe that the Biblical Prophets were either morally weak or just plain evil, then this is an issue that they really need to resolve first before looking at the alleged “evil” of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
If Christians and Jews believe that the Biblical Prophets were either morally weak or just plain evil, then this is an issue that they really need to resolve first before looking at the alleged “evil” of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
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You miss the point. We do not think our prophets are in capable of sinning, whereas in Islam Muhammad is place at such a high regard- he is perfect, in capable of doing wrong. The only individuals whom we have that we believe to be so perfect would be Jesus.
Whatever the list of sinful acts, Christians are not afraid of mentioning them and calling them out for what they are. Unfortunately this can not be said for Muslims. That is the issue there. We have no problem saying that Prophet — sinned, but for you everything Muhammad did is right and no one can say anything against it
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josie_L
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What a holey man!!!and plucked someones eyes out, cut of their limbs, threw them in the desert to die?
P.S. No, it’s not a spelling mistake, just me being silly.
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This is indeed the danger in Islam. Muhammad committed many acts that not only would be considered sinful according the teachings of Jesus, who came before him, but were downright harmful to the humans he despised around him. What makes this so very dangerous is that he was elevated through Islamic claims to be ‘the most perfect human being who ever walked the earth’. And the emulation of Muhammad, to the degree that one can be murdered for ‘insulting’ him, is borderline worship. One need not fear ‘insulting’ Allah in Islam but to find fault in Muhammad surely would mean death or abuse.
What happens then is a thing called moral relativity. What once was easily seen as ‘wrong’ became ‘right’ simply because Muhammad did it. So the immorality of Muhammad, an imperfect human being, does not stand as an example of human error, human weakness or human sin, instead, it makes human error, weakness and sin suddenly ‘holy’ and this causes Muslims everywhere to not have the same moral view that those who understand that the prophets in the bible were mere humans stumbling and falling. Again, I agree, ONLY Jesus set a perfect example and deserves emulation, for if you were to follow his example the world can be assured that no murder, rape or slave keeping would be a part of your actions. One would not hate their ‘enemy’, would heal others, love others and bless others with their total devotion to God and not any human ego driven desire, because this indeed is the pure example found in Christ.
Just standing the two side by side shows that one, Jesus, is the pure light and the other, Muhammad, is a shadow of darkness on earth.
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hamba2han
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This is really a Catch-22 situation.
The detractors of Islam say that Muhammad (pbuh) cannot be a true Prophet because of all the “evil” that he did.
Yet, when we refer to what is written in the Bible, he did not do anything which none of the earlier Biblical prophets also did.
And so then, do all these “evil” deeds which Muhammad (pbuh) supposedly did disqualify him from being a true Prophet who has indeed brought a Message from the Lord to all of humankind.
Christians and Jews cannot have it both ways here.
The detractors of Islam say that Muhammad (pbuh) cannot be a true Prophet because of all the “evil” that he did.
Yet, when we refer to what is written in the Bible, he did not do anything which none of the earlier Biblical prophets also did.
And so then, do all these “evil” deeds which Muhammad (pbuh) supposedly did disqualify him from being a true Prophet who has indeed brought a Message from the Lord to all of humankind.
Christians and Jews cannot have it both ways here.
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josie_L
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What part of the New Testament do you not understand, Christians are under a new covenant with Christ, as such, do you see any violence being committed by Christians in the Bible? If indeed Mohammed was a true prophet, how does one go from Christianity which exulted peace, love and mercy, to barbarism as enacted by the most holy and exalted of men, Mohammed?
I actually posted this to Neploho, but he did not respond to my post.
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qui_est_ce
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Christians and Jews do not hold up their prophets as examples of how to behave. We do not elevate them to God-like status. IOW we do as they SAY, not as they DO.
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