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qui_est_ce
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Also, we don’t get extra credit for pbuh’ing them.
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Booklover
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OT prophets sinned and repented of their actions. Nor did they claim those evil actions to be good. If Muhammad were a real prophet as the others were, he should have repented of his actions and mended his ways. He did not, he redefined sin and made lawful that which was evil. Besides, a person who is declared “as the best man who ever lived”, should live an impeccable life, which Muhammad never did.
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qui_est_ce
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Why did you quote Evil? If you had sex with a 6 year old, would that be a sin?
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jakasaki
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hamba2han
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God Almighty chooses the best among humankind to be His Messengers.
For an Omniscient Creator to choose morally weak individuals to teach the rest of His creations about proper morals is without even a semlance of logic.
People who say that the Biblical Prophets (peace be upon them all) were as morally weak as the people who they were sent to teach proper morals to just do not realise that they are in fact saying that the Lord is not Omniscient about His creations.
For an Omniscient Creator to choose morally weak individuals to teach the rest of His creations about proper morals is without even a semlance of logic.
People who say that the Biblical Prophets (peace be upon them all) were as morally weak as the people who they were sent to teach proper morals to just do not realise that they are in fact saying that the Lord is not Omniscient about His creations.
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hamba2han
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God did indeed speak directly to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) during Isra and Mi’raj, the night when he journeyed from Makkah to Jerusalem and henceforth ascended to the heavens to meet his Lord.
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josie_L
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And how do we know this really happened?
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hamba2han
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It is called ‘faith’… just like how we “know” that God spoke directly to Prophet Moses (pbuh) on the mountain.
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josie_L
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Faith in God and “faith” in Mohammed are two different things.
P.S. We know Moses was a prophet who spoke directly to God, because he had the miracles to prove it. The parting of the Red Sea, turning river water into blood, . . . etc. And Moses was not an evil man, when he killed the Egyptian soldier he was filled with remorse.
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jakasaki
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Ah, yes, I remember to stories about this … where allah put mohamad on this strange flying creature, half donkey and half whatever with wings and head of a female.
And there once in heaven mohamad was given a choice of milk and wine but mohamad chose the milk and allah told mohamad to pray 50 times a day and then Moses told mohamad to go back to allah to shorten the prayer time so allah made it 5 times a day.
And although it wasn’t a physical body journey because the wife he was sleeping with that night, said mohamad never left the bed and his body was there all night.
If God wanted to receive a True Prophets Soul in heaven, He would NOT send a mythical creature do to so!
Another problem with this is that all of the years that mohamad claimed to receive revelations, why would allah only talk to mohamad just once through this night journey…?
The story makes for a good Arabian Folk Tale.
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hamba2han
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As usual, this discussion is going round in circles.
Let’s get back to the topic:
Does the supposedly “evil” deeds and actions of Muhammad (pbuh) disqualify him from being a true Prophet of God?
‘Yes’ or ‘No’?
A word of caution here → If you answer ‘Yes’, then you would have disqualified virtually ALL of the Biblical Prophets (peace be upon them all) from being true Prophets.
Kindly refer to the Bible if you doubt what I say.
Let’s get back to the topic:
Does the supposedly “evil” deeds and actions of Muhammad (pbuh) disqualify him from being a true Prophet of God?
‘Yes’ or ‘No’?
A word of caution here → If you answer ‘Yes’, then you would have disqualified virtually ALL of the Biblical Prophets (peace be upon them all) from being true Prophets.
Kindly refer to the Bible if you doubt what I say.
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Benjamin8o8
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When did any Prophet sleep with a 9 year old girl when He was over His 50s? When did any Prophet cut of the limbs from another man, plucked their eyes out and throw them in the desert to die? When did any other Prophet force their religion on others? Come on man, I hope you weren`t serious when you asked this!
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Benjamin8o8
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As usual, this discussion is going round in circles.
Let’s get back to the topic:
Does the supposedly “evil” deeds and actions of Muhammad (pbuh) disqualify him from being a true Prophet of God?
‘Yes’ or ‘No’?
YES
The reason why we are going in circles is because like I said you don`t answer other questions. Does it give a 53 year old man any right to have sexual intercourse with a 9 year old female. What about giving this military leader any right to pluck eyes out from 2 men, cutting of their limbs, and throwing them in the desert to die?
Let’s get back to the topic:
Does the supposedly “evil” deeds and actions of Muhammad (pbuh) disqualify him from being a true Prophet of God?
‘Yes’ or ‘No’?
YES
Why, because you say so? Are you even aware at what time period other Prophets (Who are in Peace) lived? Do you not realize that the reason why other Prophets seem so brutal is because God had to strike fear on His servants. You seem to ignore so many reasons why other prophets behaved the way they did because you believe it gives Mohammed the right to carry out his own definition of good. Please, there is no excuse for supporting Mohammed.
The reason why we are going in circles is because like I said you don`t answer other questions. Does it give a 53 year old man any right to have sexual intercourse with a 9 year old female. What about giving this military leader any right to pluck eyes out from 2 men, cutting of their limbs, and throwing them in the desert to die?
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jakasaki
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The above is God’s command for a “True Prophet of God”
Has God given any oracles to mohamad to fulfill and have any followers confirmed?
And if God did, point them out to us with reliable facts and sources. As far as the koran goes, God never spoke to mohamad. Only the so called “angel” did.
God speaks to His Real Prophets.
And yes, there is the story of allah sending mohamad to heaven on the winged creature, but we already are covering that in another tread.
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josie_L
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My answer would be no, but having said this, that is not the only reason for which I disqualify Mohammed, it is also because he brings a message contrary to what all the other prophets wrote, including and most especially what Jesus proclaimed. As I said in an earler post to you, you do not go from Jesus to Mohammed in matters of morality and faith without thinking God is schzisophrenic. I rather believe it was Mohammed who was mistaken, heck, he even defined the Holy Trinity, as being the Father, the Son, and the blessed Virgin Mary. Now you tell me how does Mohammed who apparently was being told by an “angel of God” what the Holy Trinity was get this most crucial of Christian doctrines wrong?
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neploho
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How about the God of the Torah to Jesus?
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hamba2han
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Just a reminder from a past thread of mine:
Prophet Moses (pbuh) waged Jihad to punish people who were guilty of deliberately denying the truth. A study of the Old Testament shows that the Jihad he waged was of two forms. One form of Jihad was that nations who subscribed to polytheism were to be put to death in all cases, while another form was that some nations were spared in case they agreed to remain subservient.
The following verses depict the first form of Jihad:
When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations – the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you – and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lord’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire. … (Deuteronomy 7:1-5)
The following verses depict the second form of Jihad:
When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labour and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, and children, the livestock and everything else in the city you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby. … (Deuteronomy, 20:10-15)
Does the above actions of Prophet Moses (pbuh) as recorded in the Bible disqualify him from being a true Prophet of God?
‘Yes’ or ‘No’?
If the answer is ‘No’, then why are Christians and Jews condemning the “barbaric” actions of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) when waging Jihad against the polytheists of Makkah?
Prophet Moses (pbuh) waged Jihad to punish people who were guilty of deliberately denying the truth. A study of the Old Testament shows that the Jihad he waged was of two forms. One form of Jihad was that nations who subscribed to polytheism were to be put to death in all cases, while another form was that some nations were spared in case they agreed to remain subservient.
The following verses depict the first form of Jihad:
When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations – the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you – and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lord’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire. … (Deuteronomy 7:1-5)
The following verses depict the second form of Jihad:
When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labour and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, and children, the livestock and everything else in the city you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby. … (Deuteronomy, 20:10-15)
Does the above actions of Prophet Moses (pbuh) as recorded in the Bible disqualify him from being a true Prophet of God?
‘Yes’ or ‘No’?
If the answer is ‘No’, then why are Christians and Jews condemning the “barbaric” actions of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) when waging Jihad against the polytheists of Makkah?
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josie_L
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First you answer my question, then I’ll answer yours. Thanks in advance.
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qui_est_ce
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NO
The Old Testament is fulfilled in the NT Covenant through the blood of the Lamb.
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josie_L
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All the above peoples/cultures mentioned above were evil, that is, they sacrificed their children to gods (devils) by putting them through fire, ate human flesh, practiced all sorts of sexual immorality. . .etc., in other words they were an evil people who practiced evil deeds. My question to you is this, what right did Mohammed have to attack Jews or Christians, people of the book, in the manner that he did. You would not I hope, think to put us in the same category as the Canaanites, Amorites. . . etc.
P.S. I hope you noticed that with Christ there was no such thing as or need for jihad (which by the way the Jews did not commit as they were protecting themselves from the evils that surrounded them) as he is the one who was prophesied to bring righteousness to all peoples. He was the Messiah fulfilled by the OT prophecies. And through him we have received eternal life and the Holy Spirit.
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